Is the way to Paradise doing Jihad? Speaker’s Corner

Is the way to Paradise doing jihad?

Lizzie has a discussion with Abbas over whether jihad takes you to paradise?

“Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed.” (Sura 9:111, Sahih International)

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  1. The structure of Arabic words in Q.9, v.111 makes it plain to see that the only reason why Allah lets us Moslems (including Prophet Muhammad and other Prophets) enter Paradise is because of His mercy, that He chooses to “purchase” both Moslems and our properties, that’s all.
    It is a gift worthy of being enjoyed for, not as reward (wage) of goodness to make a boasting.

    Thus, it is becaus eof Allah mercy, regardless whether we (also other Monotheists with a jot of Tawhid in the souls) do a great goodness, or just do a few goodness, or conduct a correct Jihad, or perhaps worst become a “killer” (that will require a Purgatory) outside a way of Jihad.

    1. Does that mean we can skip over all of that stuff about a scales that must be balanced with the good deeds on one side and the bad deeds on the other? How do you estimate the value of a good deed? It used to be that bleeding a sick patient was considered a kindness but it probably killed a lot of people. What is good to some people is just rewarding bad behavior. Hey, lets give addicts clean needles so they don’t spread AIDS. Put that on your scales and balance it. Catherine the Great ordered all of Russia to be vaccinated against small pox. Many died but many were saved. The calculus of good and evil is not as straight forward as it seems. It seems unfair to put into the hands of the unknowing and mentally limited human the task of knowing when the scales are finally in his or her favor. How could anyone ever have peace with God while at the same time being uncertain if they had accumulated enough good works?

        1. This only leads to more inconsistency in the Hadith. Didn’t Mohammed say that Hell Fire was seventy times hotter than earthly fire? Wasn’t his Uncle suppose to be in the coolest part of Hell with his shoes burning and his brains boiling?

          1. “Danny Newton says: This only leads to more inconsistency in the Hadith. Didn’t Mohammed say that Hell Fire was seventy times hotter than earthly fire? Wasn’t his Uncle suppose to be in the coolest part of Hell with his shoes burning and his brains boiling?”

            That’s not contradiction. The least punishment is a kind of fire shoes indeed. But the level of resistance of each dweller of Hell could be so different.
            Certain dwellers of Hell will be resurrected with a body of stone and iron, per Q.17, v.50.
            Regardless how much hot the fire will be, but if their metal body can resist it they could feel less painful.

    2. Is Allah just to the Muslim in Hell who committed only one murder? With standards like this you may as well place your faith in a flipped coin. Do the Jinn labor in vain against the random justice of Allah?

      Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
      The Prophet () said, “Amongst the men of Bani Israel there was a man who had murdered ninety-nine persons. Then he set out asking (whether his repentance could be accepted or not). He came upon a monk and asked him if his repentance could be accepted. The monk replied in the negative and so the man killed him. He kept on asking till a man advised to go to such and such village. (So he left for it) but death overtook him on the way. While dying, he turned his chest towards that village (where he had hoped his repentance would be accepted), and so the angels of mercy and the angels of punishment quarrelled amongst themselves regarding him. Allah ordered the village (towards which he was going) to come closer to him, and ordered the village (whence he had come), to go far away, and then He ordered the angels to measure the distances between his body and the two villages. So he was found to be one span closer to the village (he was going to). So he was forgiven.”
      Reference  : Sahih al-Bukhari 3470
      In-book reference  : Book 60, Hadith 137
      USC-MSA web (English) reference  : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 676

  2. “Danny Newton says: Is Allah just to the Muslim in Hell who committed only one murder? With standards like this you may as well place your faith in a flipped coin.”

    Every sinful Moslems will be saved thru Shafa’ah after experiencing purgatory for a long time.
    Every sinful Non-Moslem Monotheists will be saved thru Shafa’ah after experiencing purgatory for a more long time.

    “Do the Jinn labor in vain against the random justice of Allah?”

    Monotheist Jinns will be saved by Shafa’ah as well.
    Pagan Jinns will remain in Hell.

    “So he was found to be one span closer to the village (he was going to). So he was forgiven.”

    Since a Jew truly knew about Monotheism and repented for the “first time”, as he didn’t get proper knowledge, thus all his sins are immediately forgiven and will not need to be purged in Purgatory at all. It is because he truly knew and repented for the first time.

    1. Why does Allah deceive the Jinn? Why not tell them that he has made a Divine Decree about the fate of this man and tell them to get back to work? Is Allah afraid that the Jinn will organize a union to get fair treatment?

      1. It is hard for the sinful hearts to understand a delicate balance between God’s decrees and good works concerning the “final” fate.
        From the divine decree’s point of view, everyone has to pass over the Hell, including Prophets, none is sinless.
        But, from the good works’ point of view, the final fate of everyone is likely in Paradise after a handful grab of God will pick the sinners out of Hell to Paradise.

  3. [email protected]:Since a Jew truly knew about Monotheism and repented for the “first time”, as he didn’t get proper knowledge, thus all his sins are immediately forgiven and will not need to be purged in Purgatory at all. It is because he truly knew and repented for the first time.
    D. Newton:
    The concept of Purgatory was borrowed from the Catholic Church along with some other theologically questionable ideas. I don’t mind working with Catholics with resisting abortion but their concept of salvation was so far from the Scripture that it caused the Protestant Reformation over 500 years ago. How can the Qur’an be reliable if it borrows questionable doctrine from other religions?
    I am really uncomfortable with the idea that Paradise contains 70 women for every man. This sounds great, if you are a man until you drill down on the math. Some scholars say the ratio of women to men was borrowed from an older religion.

    Here is a thought experiment for you: Imagine that it is the time after Adam and Eve. Let time slip by until 140 people have died and one man goes to Paradise. If the ratio of women to men is one or a 50-50 split, 70 of the dead must be women and they have to go to Paradise to satisfy the Qur’an’s version of Paradise. So now you have one guy in Paradise with 70 women and there is nowhere else for the rest to go but to Hell or Purgatory. Now this causes a problem because most of the inhabitants of Hell have to be men which goes against the direct observation of Mohammed. He said that the majority of Hell are women. How can the majority of Hell and the majority of Paradise be women at the same time? If you wait for another 140 people to die and they are half men and half women, only one additional man can be allowed in Paradise while the remaining men are sent to Hell. The only way I can resolve this is to conclude that the men in Paradise must be passing around or sharing those women but I can not find any thing in the Hadith to back that up. There is one more possibility and that is the people of Hell will be transgendered so that they can go to Paradise. They are already promised an extreme makeover so that they are in the prime of their earthly life so that should not be a hard thing for Allah to accomplish. People keep asking what women get out of being in Paradise and I think I have found it: A ticket out of Hell. But would this be fair to the men? By now even the woman who poisoned Mohammed will have to be released from Hell while the male apostate is condemned forever in Hell simply because his personal plumbing fails to properly adjust the population on Paradise. Do you ever think the situation will get so bad that the wives of Mohammed will have to be moved from Hell or Purgatory to Paradise? Merry christmas

  4. “Danny Newton says: The concept of Purgatory was borrowed from the Catholic Church along with some other theologically questionable ideas. I don’t mind working with Catholics with resisting abortion but their concept of salvation was so far from the Scripture that it caused the Protestant Reformation over 500 years ago. How can the Qur’an be reliable if it borrows questionable doctrine from other religions?”

    Actually the concept of Purgatory comes from the Old Testament.
    …Those whose virtues and sins counterbalance one another shall go down to Gehenna and float up and down until they rise purified; for of them it is said: ‘I will bring the third part into the fire and refine them as silver is refined, and try them as gold is tried’ [Zech. xiii. 9.];
    Also, ‘He [the Lord] bringeth down to Sheol and bringeth up again'” (I Sam. ii. 6).
    Regarding the time which purgatory lasts, the accepted opinion of R. Akiba is twelve months; according to R. Johanan b. Nuri, it is only forty-nine days. Both opinions are based upon Isa. lxvi. 23–24: “From one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another shall all flesh come to worship before Me, and they shall go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched”;
    The souls of the wicked are judged, and after these twelve months are over they are consumed and transformed into ashes under the feet of the righteous (according to Mal. iii. 21 [A. V. iv. 3]), whereas the great seducers and blasphemers are to undergo eternal tortures in Gehenna without cessation (according to Isa. lxvi. 24).

    “I am really uncomfortable with the idea that Paradise contains 70 women for every man. This sounds great, if you are a man until you drill down on the math. Some scholars say the ratio of women to men was borrowed from an older religion.”

    Women are symbol of beauty, there’s no benefit to burn the beauties in Fire forever.
    No man can be beauty.
    Seventy-two beauties seem to be too lacking for a handsome man who lives 1,000 years.

    “Here is a thought experiment for you: Imagine that it is the time after Adam and Eve. Let time slip by until 140 people have died and one man goes to Paradise. If the ratio of women to men is one or a 50-50 split, 70 of the dead must be women and they have to go to Paradise to satisfy the Qur’an’s version of Paradise. So now you have one guy in Paradise with 70 women and there is nowhere else for the rest to go but to Hell or Purgatory.”

    Hadith of Adam’s primordial seeds resolves that math problem. You forget there are millions of the seeds from father’s loins that died off during their race to reach ovum or failing to reach a mother’s ovum.
    Male’s seeds can contain half-millions of female souls (though not yet counted as the living ones).
    Islamic Predestination recognizes 2 types of Adam’s primordial seeds: One is the bright seeds (emitting from Adam’s right shoulders) that shall enter Paradise by will of God, not by their Faith nor deeds. The other is Adam’s less bright seeds (emitting from Adam’s left shoulders) that shall need to enter Hell (as Purgatory, so they will not taste its torment) before being taken up to Paradise.

    “Now this causes a problem because most of the inhabitants of Hell have to be men which goes against the direct observation of Mohammed. He said that the majority of Hell are women. How can the majority of Hell and the majority of Paradise be women at the same time?”

    I presume that likely Adam’s primordial seeds from his right and left shoulders have been dominated by female souls, so for illustration, from the beginning the number is indeed unequal: only one man Adam owns many Eve’s ribs indeed (potentially having many wives).
    I think there’s a wisdom: Life needs “more” (not equal) the ones having beauty than the ones having less beauty.

    “If you wait for another 140 people to die and they are half men and half women, only one additional man can be allowed in Paradise while the remaining men are sent to Hell. The only way I can resolve this is to conclude that the men in Paradise must be passing around or sharing those women but I can not find any thing in the Hadith to back that up.”

    I repeat, Islamic Predestination recognizes 2 types of Adam’s primordial seeds:
    – One is the bright seeds (emitting from Adam’s right shoulders) that shall enter Paradise by will of God, not by their Faith nor deeds.
    – The other is Adam’s less bright seeds (emitting from Adam’s left shoulders) that shall need to enter Hell (as Purgatory, so they will not taste its torment) before being taken up to Paradise.

    “There is one more possibility and that is the people of Hell will be transgendered so that they can go to Paradise. They are already promised an extreme makeover so that they are in the prime of their earthly life so that should not be a hard thing for Allah to accomplish.”

    No.
    Changing one’s gender or transgender without an undisputed healthy excuse is a sin in Islam.

    “People keep asking what women get out of being in Paradise and I think I have found it: A ticket out of Hell. But would this be fair to the men?”

    From the beginning, the number is unequal: only one man Adam owns many Eve’s ribs indeed (potentially having many wives).

    “By now even the woman who poisoned Mohammed will have to be released from Hell while the male apostate is condemned forever in Hell simply because his personal plumbing fails to properly adjust the population on Paradise. Do you ever think the situation will get so bad that the wives of Mohammed will have to be moved from Hell or Purgatory to Paradise”

    I think there’s a wisdom: Life needs “more” (not equal) the ones having beauty than the ones having less beauty.

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      Hadith of Adam’s primordial seeds resolves that math problem. You forget there are millions of the seeds from father’s loins that died off during their race to reach ovum or failing to reach a mother’s ovum.
      Male’s seeds can contain half-millions of female souls (though not yet counted as the living ones).
      Islamic Predestination recognizes 2 types of Adam’s primordial seeds: One is the bright seeds (emitting from Adam’s right shoulders) that shall enter Paradise by will of God, not by their Faith nor deeds. The other is Adam’s less bright seeds (emitting from Adam’s left shoulders) that shall need to enter Hell (as Purgatory, so they will not taste its torment) before being taken up to Paradise.

      Danny Newton:
      According to Al-Bukhari,8:593 Allah sends an angel after three consecutive forty day periods and then introduces a soul. I don’t remember anywhere that a “seed” has a soul that can go to Hell or Paradise. Besides, I thought you believed in Grace, not the Divine Decree? Your resources are vast and thus rare. The average person will be troubled by the math problem which is caused by uncritically borrowing too much trash from other religions. If you borrow just three concepts from three religions prior to Islam and only one concept and possibly none of them are true, you will certainly contaminate Islam with untruth. To the greatest extent possible Christians strive for consistency by eliminating false scriptures by comparing the latest fad to the existing body of scriptures. This is why there is a difference between the Catholic and the Protestant Bible. This is why the Seven Sleepers did not make it into either Bible and the story about Jesus making birds from clay and speaking from the cradle did not rise to the level of legitimate scripture. Something about the stories violated presuppositions already formed in the older scriptures. Attempts to corrupt the Ingil were in full force after John died. It is not a twentieth century/Bart Ehrman phenomenon. The collections of old Biblical documents has increased greatly and thus the newer versions of the Bible tend to be more faithful to the original writings than the older versions that were developed during the chaos of Catholic and Protestant governments wrestling with each other over political power rather than truth.

      1. Danny Newton says: According to Al-Bukhari,8:593 Allah sends an angel after three consecutive forty day periods and then introduces a soul. I don’t remember anywhere that a “seed” has a soul that can go to Hell or Paradise. Besides, I thought you believed in Grace, not the Divine Decree? Your resources are vast and thus rare.”

        -Hadith of 40 days of both evil and good:
        Muslim Book 33, Hadith 6392
        Hudhaifa b. Usaid reported directly from Allah’s Messenger that he said: When the drop of (semen) remains in the womb for forty or fifty (days) or forty nights, the angel comes and says: My Lord, will he be good or evil? And BOTH THESE things would be written. Then the angel says: My Lord, would he be male or female? And both these things are written. And his deeds and actions, his death, his livelihood; these are also recorded. Then his document of destiny is rolled and there is no addition to nor subtraction from it.
        -Hadith of Adam’s shoulders:
        Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
        Abu Dawud, Book 41, Hadith 4686
        Muslim ibn Yasar al-Juhani said: I heard the Messenger of Allah say when he was questioned about it: Allah created Adam, then passed His right hand over his back, and brought forth from it his offspring, saying: I have these for Paradise and these will do the deeds of those who go to Paradise. He then passed His hand over his back and brought forth from it his offspring, saying: I have created these for Hell, and they will do the deeds of those who go to Hell..
        -Hadith of a handful grab to Paradise:
        Muslim Book 1, Hadith 352.
        Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: ..Surely Allah wrongs not the weight of an atom; and if it is a good deed. He multiplies it and gives from Himself a great reward” (al-Qur’an, iv. 40). Then Allah, Exalted and Great, would say: The angels have interceded, the apostles have interceded and the believers have interceded, and no one remains (to grant pardon) but the Most Merciful of the mercifuls. He will then take a HANDFUL from Fire and bring out from it people who never did any good and who had been turned into charcoal, and will cast them into a river called the river of life, on the outskirts of Paradise. They will come out as a seed comes cut from the silt carried by flood..

        “The average person will be troubled by the math problem which is caused by uncritically borrowing too much trash from other religions.”

        How do you say “trash” for Isaiah and Zechariah? Are you an atheist, Danny?
        Zech 13:9
        And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them:
        1Sam 2:6
        The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
        Isa 66:23
        And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

        “If you borrow just three concepts from three religions prior to Islam and only one concept and possibly none of them are true, you will certainly contaminate Islam with untruth.”

        Not all things coming from the past is evil an corrupt.
        Messiah and Holy war are Jewish concept.
        Virgin birth and Ascension are Christian concept.
        Polygamy and slavery are Abrahamic practices.

        “To the greatest extent possible Christians strive for consistency by eliminating false scriptures by comparing the latest fad to the existing body of scriptures.”

        Reality checks:
        – Nowhere does the OT Bible say the Messiah will be called “Son of God”. Rather, it is a main reason why Jesus was rejected by the OT believers.
        – Nowhere does the OT Bible say the Spirit will be 3rd person even though he has been existing since the beginning of day.
        – Nowhere does the OT Bible say the Messiah will have Dual nature.
        – Nowhere does the OT Bible say the Messiah will be raised from death on 3rd day. Rather, Peter rejected to let Jesus be killed in Gospels.
        – Nowhere does the OT Bible say the Messiah will be celibate.

        “This is why there is a difference between the Catholic and the Protestant Bible.”

        Where’s 3rd century Martin Luther when the Catholics worshiped Mary with title Theotokos, heh?
        Where’s 3rd century Martin Luther when the Catholics worshiped Mary’s statues, heh?
        Where’s 3rd century Martin Luther when the Catholics worshiped Mary with title Mediatrix, Ascension, Perpetual virgin, heh?
        Protestant’s Hypocrisy abounds.

        “This is why the Seven Sleepers did not make it into either Bible and the story about Jesus making birds from clay and speaking from the cradle did not rise to the level of legitimate scripture.”

        We rely on Modern Historians, Catholics, and Orthodoxies that the story of Sleepers is true and historical.
        Where’s rejection of the Sleepers “before” 1500s from Protestants? Nothing. Protestants have 1200 years to reject it earlier.
        Where’s 3rd century Martin Luther when the Catholics accept story of the Cave Sleepers?
        Consistency please.

        “Something about the stories violated presuppositions already formed in the older scriptures.”

        Presuppositions from the OT Bible are made by the Jews. Jews reject Jesus’ divinity. Thus Jesus was not God. Okay? Simple.
        Where’s 3rd century Martin Luther when the Catholics worshiped Mary with title Theotokos, heh?
        Where’s 3rd century Martin Luther when the Catholics accept story of the Cave Sleepers?

        “Attempts to corrupt the Ingil were in full force after John died.”

        You believe in corruption of the Bible.
        Thanks.
        Finally we have a confession.

        “It is not a twentieth century/Bart Ehrman phenomenon.”

        So the Sola Scripture is false.
        Thanks.
        That’s great, you make my day.

        “The collections of old Biblical documents has increased greatly and thus the newer versions of the Bible tend to be more faithful to the original writings than the older versions that were developed during the chaos of Catholic and Protestant governments wrestling with each other over political power rather than truth.”

        I agree. Thus, the Bible is corrupt. Interesting.
        What else you can agree with us Moslems?

  5. [email protected]:

    How do you say “trash” for Isaiah and Zechariah? Are you an atheist, Danny?
    Zech 13:9

    D. Newton: As I have said before, your really can not read prophecy with the same mindset as historical parts of the Bible. This is especially true when it says some thing like,”…there is coming a day.” The story of Jonah and the whale lied dormant as prophecy until Jesus claimed that there would be a similarity between that story and the coming resurrection of the Son of Man.(Jesus) Matt 12:40. No Jew could think of it being a prophecy at that time and no Jew would have thought that Jesus would have been resurrected until the End of the World or the Last Day. Things like this have to be revealed by the Holy Spirit, which you deny.
    1 Cor: 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. I personally think that exact prophecies are not possible because no man knows that time either to the closest century let along the closest hour. I suspect that Zech 13:9 has not happened yet and may even refer to the one-third of the angels who rebelled against God. Anyway, it says they will be made to pass through the fire, not pulled out of the fire. I admit I don’t know and it does not bother me to not know because this lack of knowledge does not touch my salvation. It is a little like a Muslim knowing all he has to do is kill an unbeliever in Jihad and then he doe not have to worry about the details of the rest of the Qur’an and the volume of Hadith and he does not have to worry about the mathematical inconsistencies and contradictions.

    1. “Danny Newton says: As I have said before, your really can not read prophecy with the same mindset as historical parts of the Bible.”

      That’s pure subjective. Catholics claim to have a different Holy Spirit as much as Protestants do, but they believe in Purgatory.
      Catholics even have worshipped Mary as Theotokos, Mediatrix, and many titles, whereas there’s no Martin Luther or Protestant in 3rd century to oppose it. Why waiting for 1200 years?

      “This is especially true when it says some thing like,”…there is coming a day.” The story of Jonah and the whale lied dormant as prophecy until Jesus claimed that there would be a similarity between that story and the coming resurrection of the Son of Man.(Jesus) Matt 12:40. No Jew could think of it being a prophecy at that time and no Jew would have thought that Jesus would have been resurrected until the End of the World or the Last Day. Things like this have to be revealed by the Holy Spirit, which you deny.”

      As I said if your Gods had fooled the Jews for long time, they must need a more bigger errors to fool Christians.
      Jews believe that there’s Purgatory. Catholics also do so.
      Why don’t Protestants?

      “1 Cor: 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. I personally think that exact prophecies are not possible because no man knows that time either to the closest century let along the closest hour. I suspect that Zech 13:9 has not happened yet and may even refer to the one-third of the angels who rebelled against God. Anyway, it says they will be made to pass through the fire, not pulled out of the fire. I admit I don’t know and it does not bother me to not know because this lack of knowledge does not touch my salvation.”

      You asked first about Purgatory, Danny.
      You did.

      “It is a little like a Muslim knowing all he has to do is kill an unbeliever in Jihad and then he doe not have to worry about the details of the rest of the Qur’an and the volume of Hadith and he does not have to worry about the mathematical inconsistencies and contradictions.”

      You return quickly to a hate mode, don’t you?
      Your prejudice has nothing to do with this Purgatory topic.

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    Not all things coming from the past is evil an corrupt.

    D. Newton: What is at stake is not corruption but the question should be: Is it true? And the second question should be why would anyone borrow things that fall apart logically. Truth can survive a bad translation but one should not trust a soul on a document that contains a suspicious number of contradictions. These contradictions are of several types. God gave us a mind and created the non-material laws of logic. Something can not be both true and false at the same time within the same context. One must not beat a Muslim, but you can beat your wife who must be a Muslim? The Qur’an suggests that the earth is flat and it suggests that the sun and the moon travel around the earth? How could Allah be so wrong? So many Hadith have been edited and destroyed. So few have been kept and even among the ones kept, there seems to be the occasional contradiction. Only a deceiver would want all of the evidence burned or boiled. I could not easily find in the Qur’an a reference about Adam’s
    “primordial seeds.” So is this an innovation to cure the mathematical problems with the ratio of women to men in Paradise? God gave Algebra to the Arab to be a blessing for all but I don’t see any using it. How can the majority of women be found in both Paradise and Hell if the natural order of things demands that the ratio of men to women be one or nearly one if you want to quibble. The frequent and gratuitous use of abrogation should be embarrassing. This is especially true when the abrogation serves a political or personal need of the abrogator in chief, Muhammed. Is nothing true forever? Is it hot in Hell or not? Is there a Divine Decree or not? Are believers in Hell in spite of saying that to avoid Hell you only need an atoms weight of faith? Does Allah just give camping permits to the inhabitants of Hell? Is there nothing safe from the political needs of Islam? According to the Hadith, when Muhammed was confronted with people who were using the contradictions of the Qur’an, Muhammad because angry. So at least the Hadith admits there are contradictions. How can Allah be considered Merciful if some of the Inhabitants of Hell have an atoms weight of faith and they are suffering along side the heathen who has none?

    1. “Danny Newton says: What is at stake is not corruption but the question should be: Is it true?”

      Corruption of the Biblical texts makes one get not ascertained of which version of texts may contain a genuine message of truth. For example, Trinitarian baptism Matthew 28:19 is invention of Gnostic person whose name is Theodotus.
      Moreover, Paul is concerned by “many” efforts of corrupting the Bible:
      2Cor 2:17
      For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

      There is example of a corruption of Matthew 28:19 which is ironically noted by early Trinitarians themselves (Clement of Alexandria) by referencing the origin of “Trinitarian baptism” to a Gnostic Theodotus.
      Clement, Excerpts of Theodotus, Ch.76, p.987
      And to the apostles he gives the command. Going around preaching ye and baptize those who believe in the name of father and son and holy spirit.

      Also, early Trinitarians such as Justin Martyr did not use the Trinitarian baptism.
      Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Ch 39, p.258.
      God hath not inflicted nor inflicts the judgment, as knowing of some that still even today are being made disciples in the name of his Christ, and are abandoning the path of error, who also do receive gifts each as they be worthy, being illumined by the name of this Christ.

      “And the second question should be why would anyone borrow things that fall apart logically.”

      Logical? Try this: How can a man heal the blindness by using some mud and water of pool?
      How can a man get bewitched to see all kingdom of the earth from a mountain?
      Mt 4:8
      Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

      “Truth can survive a bad translation but one should not trust a soul on a document that contains a suspicious number of contradictions. These contradictions are of several types. God gave us a mind and created the non-material laws of logic. Something can not be both true and false at the same time within the same context. One must not beat a Muslim, but you can beat your wife who must be a Muslim?”

      Poking is not beating.
      Poking is not a crime.
      By poking our rebellious woman, we Moslems don’t burn alive our rebellious woman:
      Lev 21:9
      And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

      “The Qur’an suggests that the earth is flat”

      Tectonic plates underneath the earth do not contradict its roundness.
      Do you doubt of the existence of many tectonic plates?
      Why does Science call it a plate? because it is as a sheet. Is the Science false?
      How can a man get bewitched to see all kingdom of the earth from a mountain?
      Mt 4:8
      Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

      “and it suggests that the sun and the moon travel around the earth?”

      Qur’an suggests one eccentric spot on the earth where the Sun never sets (such as Arctic region) for a day and more. That anomalous region of Arctic proves that the earth is round.
      Science proves this Geographical anomaly. Is the Science false?
      Compare with this hocup pocus:
      Isa 38:8
      Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

      “How could Allah be so wrong? So many Hadith have been edited and destroyed. So few have been kept and even among the ones kept, there seems to be the occasional contradiction. Only a deceiver would want all of the evidence burned or boiled. I could not easily find in the Qur’an a reference about Adam’s
      “primordial seeds.” So is this an innovation to cure the mathematical problems with the ratio of women to men in Paradise?”

      Our Hadith collection serves the Qur’an. Hadith is as selective as the Oral Torah approved by the NT Bible (such as 4 prohibitions of Synagogues for Gentiles).
      Catholics have the Pope’s infallible rulings.

      “God gave Algebra to the Arab to be a blessing for all but I don’t see any using it. How can the majority of women be found in both Paradise and Hell if the natural order of things demands that the ratio of men to women be one or nearly one if you want to quibble.”

      Hadith of Adam’s seeds has nicely solved the math problem.
      You can compare it with a real number and a factorial.
      You know that the number (100) and number (100!) are different.

      “The frequent and gratuitous use of abrogation should be embarrassing. This is especially true when the abrogation serves a political or personal need of the abrogator in chief, Muhammed. Is nothing true forever?”

      I never see if there’s a Moslem man who ever implements Q.9, v.5 upon his Christian wives according to Q.5, v.5.
      War is deceit. When it comes to the so-called “Sword Verse” (context of warfare), the preachers use “Abrogation Theory” to scare the coward infidels, and it works.

      “Is it hot in Hell or not?”

      Allah makes the fire so cool for Abraham. In the Bible the fire is made cool for three Jews in the furnace.
      Is it difficult for you to believe the stunning similarity?
      God will try the sinners like trying the silvers in fire.

      “Is there a Divine Decree or not? Are believers in Hell in spite of saying that to avoid Hell you only need an atoms weight of faith? Does Allah just give camping permits to the inhabitants of Hell? ”

      Each decree will pass: each man including Prophets will cross thru the Hell. After Shafa’ah, every sinner may be taken up by a handful grab of God from Hell to Heaven.
      Both ways will pass. Each way has different timeline.

      “Is there nothing safe from the political needs of Islam? According to the Hadith, when Muhammed was confronted with people who were using the contradictions of the Qur’an, Muhammad because angry. So at least the Hadith admits there are contradictions. How can Allah be considered Merciful if some of the Inhabitants of Hell have an atoms weight of faith and they are suffering along side the heathen who has none?”

      I don’t know exactly which Hadith you are talking about.
      Combination of Qur’an and Hadith makes a believing Moslem easy to answer any theological doubt. Both sources are perfectly matched.
      Perhaps those people are so rude when asking him?

  7. 8 ways of martyrdom:
    Muwatta Malik Book 16, Hadith 36
    The Messenger of Allah said, There are seven kinds of martyr other than those killed in the way of Allah. Someone who is killed by the plague is a martyr, someone who drowns is a martyr, someone who dies of pleurisy is a martyr, someone who dies of a disease of the belly is a martyr, someone who dies by fire is a martyr, someone who dies under a falling building is a martyr and a woman who dies in childbirth is a martyr.

    Riyad as-Salihin Book 12, Hadith 1354
    The Companions asked: O Messenger of Allah, Then who are the martyrs? He replied, He who is killed in the way of Allah is a martyr; he who dies naturally in the Cause of Allah is a martyr; he who dies of plague is a martyr; and he who dies of a belly disease is a martyr; and he who is drowned is a martyr.

  8. Reasons why suicide is not Jihad:
    1. Moslem armies go to the battles by wielding the swords and riding the vehicles.
    If the intention were to “commit suicide as martyr”, they should have gone to the battles with any preparation whatsoever, such as rushing stupidly towards the tip of spears of enemy, using a fistfight only, acting like a dumb sheep going to slaughter, even lining up the weak, aging, underage and the sick men to the battles.

    2. Prophet Muhammad prays to God for defeating the enemy combatants, not for being killed.

    3. Prophet Muhammad forbids Moslems from committing suicide even though they were in a last desperation and under the imminent defeat.

  9. Addition:
    4. Suicide is a way of rage for wrongly tempting God.

    5. Expecting death is a in which forbidden to do in Islam:
    Nasa’i Vol. 3, Book 21, Hadith 1824
    Qais said: I entered upon Khabbab when he had been cauterized on his stomach seven times. He said: Were it not that the Messenger of Allah forbade us to pray for death, I would have prayed for it.

    6. Natural death during war and doing a goodness for Islam is equally counted as martyrdom:
    Riyad as-Salihin Book 12, Hadith 1354
    The Companions asked: O Messenger of Allah, Then who are the martyrs? He replied, He who is killed in the way of Allah is a martyr; he who dies naturally in the Cause of Allah is a martyr; he who dies of plague is a martyr; and he who dies of a belly disease is a martyr; and he who is drowned is a martyr.

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