We’ve been having discussions recently with a muslima who has got very annoyed at our suggestion that the name ‘Father’ only applies to the Christian God and not to the Islamic deity. She claims it’s OK to call Allah ‘Father’ because Allah ‘fathered’ all of us in the sense he ‘created’ all of us. So by that token, it’s OK for Muslims to call Allah their ‘father.’ But does this reflect what the Qur’an teaches?
Not in the least. If anything, Allah is at pains to point out that this is not how Muslims should perceive him:
He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” (Sura 112:3-4)
After dismissing the Christian belief in the divine Sonship of Jesus Christ, Allah says:
“Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a slave.” 19:93 (Hilali/Khan)
Nor is ‘Father’ one of Allah’s 99 names. In fact, calling Allah ‘Father’ is ‘a very grave sin’ according to this Muslim commentator:
No one has the freedom, no matter how well-intentioned, to ascribe to Allah Most High such false names and attributes as ‘father’ that they themselves create. That is a very grave sin indeed. Rather Allah Most High has Himself provided all His beautiful names (al Asma al-Husnah) in the Qur’an, and ‘father’ is most certainly not one of them, and can never be one of them. Neither is Allah Most High father, nor can He be even compared with father, since He is incomparable. Indeed elementary common sense reveals that He cannot be father since, although He created both the male and the female, He is neither male nor female. While the English word ‘He’ connotes masculinity, the Arabic word Huwa does not! The ‘moon’, al-Qamar, for example, is in the masculine gender in Arabic and yet is never considered to be male.
In the Qur’an Allah also takes Jews and Christians directly to task for their claim to be ‘children of God’:
But the Jews and the Christians say, “We are the children of Allah and His beloved.” Say, “Then why does He punish you for your sins?” Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination. (Sura 5:18)
In so doing Allah reveals the deficiency of his knowledge about Christian Scripture. No Christian believes God punishes us for our sins; instead out of mercy, Jesus is punished on our behalf:
“But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.”(Isaiah 53:5)
Allah also assumes fathers wouldn’t punish their children for their sins, when there are ahadith which clearly advocate punishing children when they do the wrong thing. For example:
It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah said: “Teach your children to pray when they are seven years old, and smack them (lightly) if they do not do so when they are ten, and separate them in their beds.”(Narrated by Abu Dawood, 495; classed as saheeh (authentic) by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5868)
Allah seems to be confusing punishment with discipline, which Hebrews 12 speaks of in a positive sense. God disciplines us as a loving Father also disciplines his children:
“Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined – and everyone undergoes discipline – then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live!”
It’s puzzling why Allah misunderstands fatherhood so much, given he is the creator of all things, including human relationships. Christian Scripture doesn’t just have a different definition of fatherhood, the first person of the Trinity is a Father. There is evidence for this in the Old Testament as well as the new:
Is this the way you repay the Lord, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you? (Deuteronomy 32:6)
Jesus teaches his followers to call God ‘Father’ when they pray:
‘This, then, is how you should pray: ‘“Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name” (Matthew 6:9)
How amazing that God wants this kind of intimate, familial relationship with weak, sinful creatures like us! But it’s a relationship that isn’t conferred on us automatically, but by choice, through repentance and faith in Jesus as the unique Son of God who died in our place. “Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him.” (John 5:23)
“So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptised into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”
So if our Muslims friend wants to call god Father, she needs a different god.
The Quran says also how can Allah have a son if he has no consort, yet Mary in the Quran is able to have a son without the agency of a spouse. So what is impossible for Allah, is possible for Mary! If Allah is greater, then by the Qur’an’s own logic Mary must be greatest! Clearly, the Quran is wrong about the nature of God and badly incorporates Christian ideas into its – I say loosely – theology.
“Mel says: The Quran says also how can Allah have a son if he has no consort, yet Mary in the Quran is able to have a son without the agency of a spouse. So what is impossible for Allah, is possible for Mary! If Allah is greater, then by the Qur’an’s own logic Mary must be greatest! Clearly, the Quran is wrong about the nature of God and badly incorporates Christian ideas into its – I say loosely – theology.”
That’s a rookie mistake.
Gabriel is the one who gives Mary the baby Jesus, per Quran 19:19, hence Gabriel is her consort practically.
Mary underwent the virginal conception, not consortless virgin.
Quran 19:19 He (Gabriel) said, I am the messenger of your Lord, to give you a pure son.
Allah refuses to be called “Father” in the biological sense., just as Jesus refuses to be called “father”.
Allah prefers to be called “Wali” or “Awliya” (close confidant, guardian, custodian) which is the role of a biological father for the daughters at the time of her marriage.
Allah has the holy name “Fatir” (originator), just as the concept of the “generation” of Jehovah toward Jesus.
Other holy name is “Musawwir” (the One who frames the existence).
Toward Abraham, Allah is prone of being a friend (Khalil).
Allah also chooses for Himself the name “Samad” which means the One for the life-support.
Hadith mentions the way how Allah acts as a close parent:
Riyad as-Salihin, Book 1, Hadith 418
‘Umar bin Al-Khattab reported: Some prisoners were brought to Messenger of Allah amongst whom there was a woman who was running (searching for her child). When she saw a child among the captives, she took hold of it, pressed it against her belly and gave it a suck. Messenger of Allah said, Do you think this woman would ever throw her child in fire? We said, By Allah, she would never throw the child in fire. Thereupon Messenger of Allah said, Allah is more kind to his slave than this woman is to her child.
@grace said [ Gabriel is the one who gives Mary the baby Jesus, per Quran 19:19, hence Gabriel is her consort practically ]
In Islam Gabriel /Jibreel is also regarded as Allah’s Messenger / Rasoollullah , to speak such a NON-SENSE about Jibril , claiming he is PRACTICALLY the consort of Maryam is deviant heretical BID’AH from a perspective of TRUE ISLAM because no words in Quran along with its tafseers, hadith and Riwayah or Sirahs that ever stated such NON SENSE.
According to TRUE ISLAM You are PRACTICALLY in misguidance to even think such heresy.
You said [ Allah refuses to be called “Father” in the biological sense ]
There’s no statement about Allah refuses to be called Father only from ‘biological sense’ , the refusal applies BOTH spiritual and biological.
In order to be fair, when speaking of how near God to a person is, it is very subjective regardless of whatever names we may call Him however since you’ve mentioned Auwleeya , as far as i recall i’ve never heard muslims especially in OFFICIAL prayer ( Shalah Fardh) ever called God as Walee , reciting Yaa Walee, Ya Walee ( i’m humbly stand to be corrected by the way) however if there was any of such prayer it’s still hardly heard in fact the Hanafisst and Shafiis tend to more for attributing this name WALEE to those dead ‘supposedly’ islamic saint when the Hanafis and Shafiis asking for intercessor from those DEAD WALEEs at their graves, in other words for many muslims Allah is NOT the only SPIRITUAL Walee after all since there are many SPIRITUAL Walee whom muslims also cry upon to.
Those Hanafist and Shafiis are bunch of MUSHRIKEEN deserve to hell fire right ?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: to speak such a NON-SENSE about Jibril , claiming he is PRACTICALLY the consort of Maryam is deviant heretical BID’AH from a perspective of TRUE ISLAM because no words in Quran along with its tafseers, hadith and Riwayah or Sirahs that ever stated such NON SENSE.”
That’s a figurative consort.
Bid’ah? Not really.
The Hadith gives a detailing scene how Gabriel respires his breath to the cloth of Mary when physically impregnating her. That unique way less or more makes him to be her consort.
“According to TRUE ISLAM You are PRACTICALLY in misguidance to even think such heresy.”
Not so fast.
A way of breeding between the sons of God and women is not heresy in the Bible.
In Hadith of Harut Marut the angels also marry the women.
“There’s no statement about Allah refuses to be called Father only from ‘biological sense’ , the refusal applies BOTH spiritual and biological.”
Refutation of the idea of divine fatherhood in biological and ontological sense is clearly stated in Quran 112:3.
Quran 112:3. He never begets, nor is born.
“In order to be fair, when speaking of how near God to a person is, it is very subjective regardless of whatever names we may call Him however since you’ve mentioned Auwleeya , as far as i recall i’ve never heard muslims especially in OFFICIAL prayer ( Shalah Fardh) ever called God as Walee , reciting Yaa Walee, Ya Walee”
In Hadith of Asma al-Husna, Al-Wali is one of 99 God’s holy names.
“( i’m humbly stand to be corrected by the way) however if there was any of such prayer it’s still hardly heard in fact the Hanafisst and Shafiis tend to more for attributing this name WALEE to those dead ‘supposedly’ islamic saint when the Hanafis and Shafiis asking for intercessor from those DEAD WALEEs at their graves, in other words for many muslims Allah is NOT the only SPIRITUAL Walee after all since there are many SPIRITUAL Walee whom muslims also cry upon to. Those Hanafist and Shafiis are bunch of MUSHRIKEEN deserve to hell fire right”
We visit their graves to pray “for” the dead saints because they need our prayer (with unique experience of the fear of death) to Allah for them, in order to add their meritorious post-mortem goodness.
It is not Jibreel breathing into her “cloth” the true translation is the Ru-Allah spirit of Allah breathed into Mary’s vagina!
Qur’an 21:91
والتي احصنت فرجها فنفخنا فيها من روحنا وجعلناها وابنها اية للعالمين
Transliteration: Waallatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feeha min roohina wajaAAalnaha waibnaha ayatan lilAAalameena
Literal: And who remained chaste/(protected) her genital parts , so We blew into her from Our Soul/Spirit , and We made/created her and her son (as) an evidence/sign to the creations all together/(universes). [1]
Qur’an 21:91
Qur’an 66:12
ومريم ابنت عمران التي احصنت فرجها فنفخنا فيه من روحنا وصدقت بكلمات ربها وكتبه وكانت من القانتين
Transliteration: Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena
Literal: And Mary Amran’s daughter who remained chaste (protected) her genital parts between her legs, so We blew in it from Our Soul/Spirit, and she confirmed/was truthful with her Lord’s words/expressions, and His Books and she was from the worshipping humbly [4]
Qur’an 66:12
So it is Allah’s soul/spirit – Jibreel is not Mary’s consort, it was the Ruh (breath/spirit) going into Mary’s vagina, so you couldn’t be more wrong.
In Hebrew, you have the Ruach, in Arabic, you have the Ruh.
@grace [ The Hadith gives a detailing scene how Gabriel respires his breath to the cloth of Mary when physically impregnating her. That unique way less or more makes him to be her consort ……….In Hadith of Harut Marut the angels also marry the women……….]
The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…” (reported by Muslim, no. 867)
I’m not speaking about Harut Marut , There is NO statement , and Tafseers from all 4 Madhabs of Sunnis and even Shias about Jibreel being the consort of Maryam FIGURATIVELY , you are INVENTING thing by your own MUSHRIK mindset without the guidance of any reliable Imams, careful my friend for talking nonsense about Jibreel . For such disrespectful conduct toward Jibreeel The Rasooloollah i’m afraid the LAKNATOOLLAH is gonna come upon you 🙂
@grace [ In Hadith of Asma al-Husna, Al-Wali is one of 99 God’s holy names. ]
I’m familiar with 99 names and that’s not the subject , What I want to learn please kindly teach me ANY OFFICIAL PRAYER calling Allah , Yaaa Walee … Yaaaa Walee..
@[ We visit their graves to pray “for” the dead saints because they need our prayer (with unique experience of the fear of death) to Allah for them, in order to add their meritorious post-mortem goodness. ] That’s not my point my point is DO YOU NEED ANY ‘SPIRITUAL’ WALEE OTHER THAN ALLAH?
Are you familiar with the practice of TAWASSUL ? The Hanafists and Shafiis al-Mushrikeen practice this type of heresy where they regard the already deceased islamic saints as WALEE other than Allah , are you part of this Mushreeks people ?
What’s your excuse for Denying Allah as THE ONLY Spiritual WALEE ?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: I’m not speaking about Harut Marut , There is NO statement , and Tafseers from all 4 Madhabs of Sunnis and even Shias about Jibreel being the consort of Maryam FIGURATIVELY , you are INVENTING thing by your own MUSHRIK mindset without the guidance of any reliable Imams, careful my friend for talking nonsense about Jibreel . For such disrespectful conduct toward Jibreeel The Rasooloollah i’m afraid the LAKNATOOLLAH is gonna come upon you ”
“I’m familiar with 99 names and that’s not the subject , What I want to learn please kindly teach me ANY OFFICIAL PRAYER calling Allah , Yaaa Walee … Yaaaa Walee..”
Asma al-Husna is meant for our memorization which suffices for a kind of rite. We Muslims are not taught to “pray” using it. Just for our memorization, okay?
“That’s not my point my point is DO YOU NEED ANY ‘SPIRITUAL’ WALEE OTHER THAN ALLAH?”
No. But we still need other “worldly Wali”, for a girl’s marriage as example.
“Are you familiar with the practice of TAWASSUL ? The Hanafists and Shafiis al-Mushrikeen practice this type of heresy where they regard the already deceased islamic saints as WALEE other than Allah , are you part of this Mushreeks people ?”
Their sins are theirs.
“What’s your excuse for Denying Allah as THE ONLY Spiritual WALEE ?”
No. But we still need other “worldly Wali”, for a girl’s marriage as example.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: I’m not speaking about Harut Marut , There is NO statement , and Tafseers from all 4 Madhabs of Sunnis and even Shias about Jibreel being the consort of Maryam FIGURATIVELY , you are INVENTING thing by your own MUSHRIK mindset without the guidance of any reliable Imams”
Tabari:
Allah Whose remembrance is exalted says : And Mary the daughter of ‘Imran, who guarded her farj” He means: who protected the opening of her garment from Gabriel (peace be upon him); any opening or tear in the garment is called farj, as well any crack in a wall, or a window in a roof is a farj. (At-Tabari, Jami’-ul-Bayan, Volume 28, page 192)
Qurtubi:
Who guarded her farj – from lewdness. Commentators say the faarj is intended to mean the opening (of the garment) because He says We breathed into it of Our spirit; Gabriel (peace be upon him) breathed but into the opening of her (garment) and did not breathe into her private part. In the recitation of Ubai: We breathed into the opening of her (garment) of Our Spirit. Every opening in the dress is called farj like His saying: and there are no flaws (furooj sing. farj) in it? (Holy Qur’an 50:6). It is probable that she guarded her private part and he breathed into the opening of her (garment). (Al-Qurtubi, Al-Gami’ l Ahkam-l-Qur’an, Volume 28, pages 203-204)
Mawardi:
And Mary the daughter of Imran, who guarded her farj – commentators state that the farj is intended to mean the opening (of the garment) for He says: We breathed into it from Our spirit; and Gabriel breathed but into the opening of her (garment).
Ar-Razi:
Guarded from lewdness because she was accused of adultery. The farj is understood literally; Ibn ‘Abbas said Gabriel breathed into the opening of the garment; he extended it with his fingers and breathed into it. every opening, tear et cetera in the garment is named farj.
Ibn-ul-Jawzi:
His saying “guarded her farj” we have mentioned two opinions in Surat-ul-Anbiyya’; those who say that it is the opening of her garment state that the pronoun in “breathed into it” refers to it (i.e., the Jayb) because Gabriel extended the opening of the garment and introduced it. And those who say that it is the birth outlet state that the pronoun refers to a non-mentioned object for he breathed into her garment not her private part.
Ash-Shawkani:
“Wwho guarded her farj” from lewdness, its exegesis has been mentioned in Surat-un-Nisaa. Commentators state that the farj is intended to mean the opening (of the garment) for His saying “We breathed into it from Our spirit”; Gabriel breathed but into the opening of her garment and she conceived Jesus. (Ash-Shawkani, Fath-ul-Qadir, Volume 5, page 340)
[Are you familiar with the practice of TAWASSUL ? The Hanafists and Shafiis al-Mushrikeen practice this type of heresy where they regard the already deceased islamic saints as WALEE other than Allah , are you part of this Mushreeks people ?”
Their sins are theirs.]
So do you agree that they deserve the LAKNATOLLAAH then right ?
[Asma al-Husna is meant for our memorization which suffices for a kind of rite. We Muslims are not taught to “pray” using it. Just for our memorization, okay? ] So you agree many muslims are denying Allah as the ONLY Walee and ask help for other Spiritual Walee right ? you stand against majority of muslims who regard other Spiritual WALEE than Allah so for this any of your claim for seeing Allah as your ONLY Walee is just applicable to you only and should be noted as PERSONAL OPNION and not the view of majority of Sunnis
[ Tabari ,Qurtubi ,etc … ] You’are just mumbling non-sense THERE IS NO SINGLE TAFSEERS that stated Jibreel The Rasooloollah is THE CONSORT of Mary either figuratively or literally you are INVENTING thing that is against your own religion and most of all you are blaspheming against the Rasooloolah (Jibreel) just for the sake of proving your heretical mindset.
The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…” (reported by Muslim, no. 867)
Repent O’MUSHREKEEEN
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: So do you agree that they deserve the LAKNATOLLAAH then right ?…….So you agree many muslims are denying Allah as the ONLY Walee and ask help for other Spiritual Walee right ? you stand against majority of muslims who regard other Spiritual WALEE than Allah so for this any of your claim for seeing Allah as your ONLY Walee is just applicable to you only and should be noted as PERSONAL OPNION and not the view of majority of Sunnis………You’are just mumbling non-sense THERE IS NO SINGLE TAFSEERS that stated Jibreel The Rasooloollah is THE CONSORT of Mary either figuratively or literally you are INVENTING thing that is against your own religion and most of all you are blaspheming against the Rasooloolah (Jibreel) just for the sake of proving your heretical mindset.”
Substantially, the topic of Wali or violation of the meaning of Wali is not our concern, so if you keep chasing to hate the Wahhabis or Salafis, that’s your choice.
Concerning the exact term “consort” of Mary, it doesn’t matter, because the more proper word for it is the “impregnator” (or the one who impregnates), and our Islamic sources agree how Gabriel does “act” being the one who impregnates her by breathing his respiration into her cloth, so suffice to say that Gabriel is less or more indeed as her consort, or more precise as her impregnator.
[Concerning the exact term “consort” of Mary, it doesn’t matter ]
Try to run away ain’t you, Mr/Ms Heretic ?
No true muslim would dare to INVENT such heretical non sense about the Rasooloollah Jibril a.s , again THERE’S NO SINGLE Tafseers or teachings of any Imams both Sunnis Shias and even Sufis that dare to say such blasphemous theory to say Jibreel is the CONSORT of Mary
Repent O’You MUSHREEKEN
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: No true muslim would dare to INVENT such heretical non sense about the Rasooloollah Jibril a.s , again THERE’S NO SINGLE Tafseers or teachings of any Imams both Sunnis Shias and even Sufis that dare to say such blasphemous theory to say Jibreel is the CONSORT of Mary”
More blunt than a word “consort”, so many Islamic scholars described in detail how Gabriel does respire his breath to impregnate her.
[ More blunt than a word “consort”, blah..blah..blah.. ] I’m pretty sure you’re fully aware that what you say is just non-sense EVEN in the perspective of Islam , No true muslim would dare to INVENT such heretical non sense about the Rasooloollah Jibril a.s , again THERE’S NO SINGLE Tafseers or teachings of any Imams both Sunnis Shias and even Sufis that dare to say such blasphemous theory to say Jibreel is the CONSORT of Mary.
[ Substantially, the topic of Wali or violation of the meaning of Wali is not our concern, ] Whaat? I’m not talking about Wahhabists you silly little girl ! Are there Wahhabists that you known of which practices TAWASSUL ?
You say Allah is WALEE but the facts are:
– Muslims in majority never call Allah as Walee in their prayer
-Muslims in majority through TAWASSUL in fact are making other Spiritual WALEE other than Allah
So your claiming is rubbish or at least you don’t represent the majority of Muslims.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: I’m pretty sure you’re fully aware that what you say is just non-sense EVEN in the perspective of Islam , No true muslim would dare to INVENT such heretical non sense about the Rasooloollah Jibril a.s , again THERE’S NO SINGLE Tafseers or teachings of any Imams both Sunnis Shias and even Sufis that dare to say such blasphemous theory to say Jibreel is the CONSORT of Mary.”
The Islamic scholars say further than that without regarding it as blasphemy: Gabriel impregnates her with his breath.
” You say Allah is WALEE but the facts are: – Muslims in majority never call Allah as Walee in their prayer
Yes we do, such as Quran 9:51…
Quran 9:51. Say, Never will we be struck except by what Allah has decreed for us; He is our Guardian. And upon Allah let the believers rely.
“-Muslims in majority through TAWASSUL in fact are making other Spiritual WALEE”
At most, it is just a polite Taqiyya to “ask” the spirits of dead saints to be *content* with the prayers we give for them. We don’t know what they need most in the realm of death *down there*, whether forgiveness, or coldness, or wider space, or light, or calmness.
At the end, in the Afterlife the total amount of Monotheists – from the past, present and future – will be eventually greater or majority.
[ The Islamic scholars say further than that without regarding it as blasphemy: Gabriel impregnates her with his breath ] Your semantic acrobat can’t deny the fact that No true muslim would dare to INVENT such heretical non sense about the Rasooloollah Jibril a.s , again THERE’S NO SINGLE Tafseers or teachings of any Imams both Sunnis Shias and even Sufis that dare to say such blasphemous theory to say Jibreel is the CONSORT of Mary.
” You say Allah is WALEE but the facts are: – Muslims in majority never call Allah as Walee in their prayer and you still can’t give the example of type of prayer that call Allah WALEE
[At most, it is just a polite Taqiyya] Muslims in majority through TAWASSUL in fact are making Spiritual WALEE other than Allah so your claim about Allah as WALEE is rubbish or at least you don’t represent the majority of Muslims.
Irony of ironies in the wretched false belief in the Trinitarian Father:
(i) God as a supposed father will not have killed his son, nor let his enemies kill his son.
If Jesus were a son of his Father, it is impossible for his Father to kill or just let his son killed by Jews.
(ii) Relation of Love between Creator-created one is much bigger than a relationship of father-son.
It is said with a comparison: God loves the world so much so that he let his son killed.
But the world is not God’s son, just his created one. God loves more his created one actually.
(iii) Jesus is not a father of the Christians.
Despite his sacrifice for all Christian sins, Jesus is not counted as a Christian’s father.
The Unitarians and Jews usually compare two similar occasions to refute the belief of Father:
(i) At time when Jews openly claim God to be their father, where’s blasphemy? Nothing at all.
Jn 8
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
(ii) But at time when Jesus claims God to be his father, why is he accused of blaspheming? There’s something contradicting each other over there.
Jn 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Jn 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
The Trinitarian arguments of Jesus being the Son of God are not original, it is heavily borrowed from the Biblical depiction of the angels. Yet, angels seem much better as they do not die.
– Jesus was called “Son”. The angels are called sons of God.
– Jesus atones the sin with his blood. A Seraph cleanses Isaiah’s sin with a pebble, and the angel cleanses Zechariah sins.
– Jesus as the word frames the world. Angels participate in creating the woman’s head.
– Jesus is sinless. Angels of Heaven are holy.
– Jesus has a preexistence. The angels existed before the world began along with the Morning Stars.
– Jesus incarnated. The angels appeared as two men to Lot, Gabriel appeared as a man to Daniel and Mary, one angel wrestled with Jacob, one angel appeared on Araunah’s threshing-floor.
– Jesus stands at the right hand of God. Gabriel and Seraphim stand at the presence of God.
– Jesus sees what the Father does. The angels also behold the face of God in Heaven.
– Jesus hears the voice of God. The angels converse, hear and deliver God’s revelations.
– Jesus resurrects the dead people. The voice of archangels will resurrect the dead ones.
If we refer to the story in the ancient times, the relation between father and son is not always personal.
(i) Abraham abandoned his father Terah and migrated to the Canaan land because of his Monotheism.
(ii) In the story of Jephthah’s daughter, a father sacrificed his children in order to please God, so it means his God is more personal than his children.
(iii) Greek Titans tried to kill their children the Olympian gods, and eventually the Olympian gods fight back, win and send down their fathers the Titans to Hell (Tartarus).
In Islam, we know a controversy Father-children relationship called “Satanic verses” relating to three “daughters” of God symbolized as three “storks”. In the NT Bible, apparently there’s another version of “Satanic verses” wherein Jesus is “mistakenly” depicted as a daughter of God, i.e. the she-Wisdom. Is the NT Bible getting a Satanic insertion when stating that Jesus is feminine figure (the she-Wisdom) and neuter animal (the Lamb)?
A Satanic verse of the improper depiction of Jesus being a woman:
Lk 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Mt 23:34
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
A Satanic verse of the improper depiction of Jesus being a lamb:
Rev 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
In Lk 11:49 and Mt 23:34 Jesus depicted the Wisdom of using the “I” word to make emphasis that the Wisdom is a person. But before that, in Lk 7:35 and Mt 11:19 Jesus depicted the Wisdom of being a woman thru the word “her”.
Thus, the NT Bible, there’s such another version of “Satanic verses” wherein Jesus has “mistakenly” depicted himself as a daughter of God, i.e. the she-Wisdom.
Lk 7:35
But wisdom is justified of all her children.
Lk 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute.
Similarity:
Mt 11:19
The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Mt 23:34
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city.
Paul also mistakenly inserted a Satanic verse by depicting Jesus wrongly as a daughter of God, i.e. a feminine figure the Wisdom.
1Cor 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
@grace or Anonymous who’s practically the same person but to coward to admit , we christians have pity on your sorry life, you must be very ashamed of yourself that you have to pretend as another person whenever try to defend islam plus your spamming is also proof of your desperate incompetency .
[ If Jesus were a son of his Father, it is impossible for his Father to kill or just let his son killed by Jews ..But the world is not God’s son, just his created one. God loves more his created one actually.]
Impossible ? says who ? are you God ? God is SOVEREIGN , Love is sacrifice ( John 15:13) His acts of sacrificial love is manifested according to what BEFITS Him and not to silly wish of a heretical muslim like you.
[ Despite his sacrifice for all Christian sins, Jesus is not counted as a Christian’s father] Jesus is The Word of the Father who Reveals The Father WITHOUT The Word NOTHING can KNOW nor CONNECT with The Father.
[ Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. ] Jesus is the Eternal Uncreated Word that PROCEEDED from the Father which makes Him The ONLY True Son of God . Humanity have been predestined to be ALSO the children of God SOLELY through COVENANT FAITH in Christ by incorporating themselves into becoming the spiritual Body of Jesus Christ ( 1 Cor 12 )
[ John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God] The Jews at those period of time understand very well that they were regarded as children of God only by COVENANT and not actual the Son who is The WORD that PROCEED from God , while Jesus by stating v.17 My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working , shows that He is practically at ONE synergy with The Father which makes it a blasphemous statement for them because it’s an admission of His DIVINITY .
[ Jesus was called “Son”. The angels are called sons of God ] Angels are called sons NOT by COVENANT and certainly NOT because they are the Word of God.
[ Jesus atones the sin with his blood. A Seraph cleanses Isaiah’s sin with a pebble, and the angel cleanses Zechariah sins.] Lord Jesus is the PREDESTINED SACRIFICE of Love to atone sins even BEFORE TIME BEGUN
1 Peter 1:19-20 “but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD of Christ, A LAMB without blemish or defect. He was CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD , but was revealed in these last times for your sake.”
Rev 13:8 ; ” All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, The LAMB who was SLAIN FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. ”
From perspective of eternity all of those cleansing acts are based on Jesus’s sacrifice, the cross is just the FULFILLMENT of what that has been FIRMLY ESTABLISHED in ETERNITY .
[ Jesus is sinless. Angels of Heaven are holy ] Again you are committing SHIRK , ONLY GOD is Holy , a true Tawheed should only attribute Holiness SOLELY to God ALONE , Angel are granted to be Holy by God’s Grace and Mercy.
[ Jesus has a preexistence. ] Certainly because He is al-Awl and al-Akhr ( sacred 99 names ) and that’s why Muslims like you should bow to Him as God
[ – Jesus resurrects the dead people. The voice of archangels will resurrect the dead ones ] 1 Thes 4:16 It’s the end time that’s why the voice of angel and trumpet is present in ceremonial way, but the one that resurrect the dead is solely Lord Jesus’s COMMAND .
[ If we refer to the story in the ancient times, the relation between father and son is not always personal ] Certainly because we are all human that’s why relationship with God the Father should our ideal relationship.
Are you sharing your own ‘personal father issues ‘? I completely understand how probably your father might very abusive to you considering he raise a child that becomes so cowardice and low self esteem that you need two accounts ( @grace and Anonymous) to confront me. You even claimed that you are not the same person … I feel sorry for your pity life o’ little girl !
[ Therefore also said the wisdom of God… Lamb ..blah..blah..blah..blah] There’s no problem to use the word Wisdom here because wisdom is feminine word just like NAFS in Quran is also feminine word , and of course Lamb is just a figurative word , it’s so silly to argue about this a JAHMEE like you should’ve known better about FIGURATIVE word ( Allah has TEETH , Allah has TWO FOOTS , Allah JOGGING ,etc )
So NAFS is FEMININE SIDE OF ALLAH , according to you heretical MUSHREEK mindset right ?
[ In Islam, we know a controversy Father-children relationship called “Satanic verses” relating to three “daughters” of God symbolized as three “storks” ] Yes thank you for agreeing that Satanic Verses are part of Islam , because it’s confirmed by many of your own scholars that Muhammad’s revelation originated from Satan. ISLAM admits that Muhammad by the revelation of his master Satan himself proclaimed how he also adored the three other gods in order to gain favor from the Quraish.
Satanic verses are not some invented matters from outside Islam but they are Islam’s inward problem. This polemic proofs Muhammad is rather SATANIC than prophetic .
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back to the topic about this rubbish WALEE theory:
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You say Allah is WALEE but the facts are: – Muslims in majority never call Allah as Walee in their official prayer and you still can’t give the example of type of prayer that call Allah WALEE
Muslims in majority through TAWASSUL in fact are making Spiritual WALEE other than Allah so your claim about Allah as WALEE is rubbish or at least you don’t represent the majority of Muslims.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: [ In Islam, we know a controversy Father-children relationship called “Satanic verses” relating to three “daughters” of God symbolized as three “storks” ] Yes thank you for agreeing that Satanic Verses are part of Islam , because it’s confirmed by many of your own scholars that Muhammad’s revelation originated from Satan. ISLAM admits that Muhammad by the revelation of his master Satan himself proclaimed how he also adored the three other gods in order to gain favor from the Quraish.
Satanic verses are not some invented matters from outside Islam but they are Islam’s inward problem. This polemic proofs Muhammad is rather SATANIC than prophetic .”
The issue of Satanic verses is not available in Hadith. Due to its defective chain of narration, the tradition of the Satanic Verses never made it into any of the Hadith compilations.
But for those debaters who learned the Islamic History, we also have a smart solution that it is just a matter of gibberish sounds of the heathen crowds who overheard some sort of “un-Arabic phrase” when trying to “outvoice” the Qur’anic verses Sura 53rd.
“back to the topic about this rubbish WALEE theory: You say Allah is WALEE but the facts are: – Muslims in majority never call Allah as Walee in their official prayer”
I said the prayer is in Quran 9:51.
Quran 9:51. Say: Never will we be struck except by what Allah has decreed for us; He is our Guardian. And upon Allah let the believers rely.
“and you still can’t give the example of type of prayer that call Allah WALEE Muslims in majority through TAWASSUL in fact are making Spiritual WALEE other than Allah so your claim about Allah as WALEE is rubbish or at least you don’t represent the majority of Muslims.”
That’s a Taqiyya to fool the stupid people.
Syllogism in so-called “Satanic verses” (insertion of the daughter of God) in the NT Bible:
1. In Lk 7:35 and Mt 11:19 Jesus depicted the Wisdom of being a woman thru the word “her”.
2. In Lk 11:49 and Mt 23:34 Jesus depicted the Wisdom of using the “I” word to make emphasis that the she-Wisdom is a person, that is, himself.
3. Thus, there’s such another version of “Satanic verses” wherein Jesus has “mistakenly” depicted himself as a daughter of God, i.e. the she-Wisdom.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: There’s no problem to use the word Wisdom here because wisdom is feminine word just like NAFS in Quran is also feminine word.
If Jesus were a feminine side of the Father, who are then two other feminine sides of Son and of Spirit?
At least now you ought to have 5 person for Trinity: Father, Jesus (she-wisdom), another feminine side of Jesus, the Spirit, a feminine side of Spirit.
Stupid and ridiculous.
“So NAFS is FEMININE SIDE OF ALLAH , according to you heretical MUSHREEK mindset right ?”
But the Nafs doesn’t make it a new person.
[ Syllogism in so-called “Satanic verses” (insertion of the daughter of God) ]
– Even if you wanna shout your own ‘theory’ about Jesus as ‘daughter’ of God in your own muslims’s circle most likely you will just be a laughing stock, after all to be mentally handicapped is your own right to choose hahahaha….
-The funny and ironic thing is Satanic verses is term used because Muhammad claimed himself as being told by TAFSEER al-Jalalyn , Sirah Ibn Ishaq , Al Waqidi , At-Tabari etc , that he received that verses FROM SATAN . It’s your darling beloved prophet that’s obviously SATANIC hahahahaha..
Even if you still wanna deny in the end all of the names i’ve mentioned ( Imam al-Jalalyn, At-Tabari, Ibn Ishaq) then should also be identified as heretics and morons who condamnable to hell in the islamic perspective because practically they ‘presumably TELL LIES about Muhammad
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229
However since many muslims also use the materials from Imam al-Jalalyn, Imam at-Tabari, Ibn Ishaq etc then what i can conclude that Muslims ar just bunch of misguided people misguiding each other to Hell . Scary !
Allah is a terrible WALEE , that’s why while Muslims wanna show they regard Allah as Walee but in their heart they sort of deny Allah and still consider OTHER WALEE than Allah.
Muslims (a) never call Allah as WALEE in their prayer (b) through Tawassul regard OTHER WALEE than Allah.
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Here’s a good example why Muslims so hesitant to trust Allah entirely to be their WALEE :
Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.
Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’
What’s more idiot and twisted than that ?
He Had to sacrifice His Most Staunch Faithful Follower of Tawheed ( The Eblees), not to mention many Adam’s descendants go to hell because of SHIRK because Eblees refusal to commit Shirk. This is just self abrogating logic
There’s no logical and moral lesson that muslims can learn from Allah’s IDIOCITY In fact there are only PAINFUL LESSONS :
1. How pious and righteous you’ve been in your Iba’ad’a of Tawheed sadly like Ebless there’s no guarantee your Tawheed will save you even if you had been making and storing your good deeds for 50,000 years. NO GUARANTEE from your Tawheed that you can be safe from the merciless authoritarian dictatorship of Allah when Allah wanna have you in eternal torment of hell.
2. Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.
3. It’s self deceiving to look at Allah as WALEE , just look at Eblees who in his Tawheed regarded Allah as his ONLY WALEE , look at what Eblees got .
4. It finally will get any reasonable human being into two options to believe , either :
(a) Allah is a true God but certainly IDIOT and MERCILESS DESPICABLE entity.
(b) Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF who deceives humankind by presenting the most TWISTED form of God’s mercy and justice for ordering Allah’s most faithful folower to commit the most hideous sin in Islam but when the faithful follower refuse to do it then Allah condemned him FOREVER in unending torment .
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Impossible ? says who ? are you God ? God is SOVEREIGN , Love is sacrifice ( John 15:13) His acts of sacrificial love is manifested according to what BEFITS Him”
The Unitarians already know and get so familiar with the Trinitarian silly foolish arguments. By your standard of love, the Son had died to be a more “greater love” of lying down his life for others, so the Son should have been the Father.
If a greater love is equal with title of father, Jesus must have been the Father.
“Jesus is The Word of the Father who Reveals The Father WITHOUT The Word NOTHING can KNOW nor CONNECT with The Father.”
The Unitarians do not accept that stupid babbling.
How about the words of Son? Is it also another new person to connect to him?
How about the words of Spirit? Is it also another new person to connect to it?
“Jesus is the Eternal Uncreated Word that PROCEEDED from the Father which makes Him The ONLY True Son of God .”
How about Jesus’ own words with which the Son is known?
How about the Spirit’s words with which it is known?
“Humanity have been predestined to be ALSO the children of God SOLELY through COVENANT FAITH in Christ by incorporating themselves into becoming the spiritual Body of Jesus Christ ( 1 Cor 12 ). The Jews at those period of time understand very well that they were regarded as children of God only by COVENANT and not actual the Son”
Sons by covenant? Stupid. Adam as a son of God existed long time before any covenant available.
Angels as sons of God existed long time before any covenant was available.
“who is The WORD that PROCEED from God , while Jesus by stating v.17 My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working , shows that He is practically at ONE synergy with The Father which makes it a blasphemous statement for them because it’s an admission of His DIVINITY .”
Do you really believe in your own silly babbling?
How about the word proceeding from the Son? How about the word proceeding from the Spirit?
By your believe, Spirit’ word must be another person to reveal what it is. Jesus’s word must be another person to reveal what he is.
“Angels are called sons NOT by COVENANT and certainly NOT because they are the Word of God.”
So, by what is it actually the those angels are “sons” of God? by a fornication, eh?
They don’t get any covenant and incarnation whatsoever, yet those angels are called “sons”. Angels and Adam were called “son” of God long time before any covenant was available.
Isn’t it weird for you?
“Lord Jesus is the PREDESTINED SACRIFICE of Love to atone sins even BEFORE TIME BEGUN”
Everything happened later must be always predestined previously, silly.
Are you familiar with Calvinism with the concept of election? Nothing which happened in a later time has not been previously predestined.
Do you really know what predestination is?
“1 Peter 1:19-20 “but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD of Christ, A LAMB without blemish or defect. He was CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD , but was revealed in these last times for your sake.”
It doesn’t negate a fact that:
– Everything that happened later must be always predestined.
– Nothing which happened in a later time has not been previously predestined.
“Angel are granted to be Holy by God’s Grace and Mercy.”
No, those angels of Heaven are “holy” just like Jesus was, because they “choose” to not do any sin, unlike what Lucifer and demons choose. Don’t you know that?
Are you sure that you’re really a Christian or what?
“Certainly because He is al-Awl and al-Akhr ( sacred 99 names ) and that’s why Muslims like you should bow to Him as God”
How about the preexistence of Morning Stars and sons of God before the world began, eh?
Are angels also your gods?
Job 38
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.
“1 Thes 4:16 It’s the end time that’s why the voice of angel and trumpet is present in ceremonial way, but the one that resurrect the dead is solely Lord Jesus’s COMMAND .”
Silly. Is a man Jesus having such an archangel voice? A man should have had a man’s voice.
Do you suggest another babbling that Jesus has three natures: man, angel, and son?
“I completely understand how probably your father might very abusive to you considering he raise a child that becomes so cowardice and low self esteem that you need two accounts ( @grace and Anonymous) to confront me. You even claimed that you are not the same person”
Just in your deluded mind.
If Jesus was both the word and the feminine side (wisdom) of the masculine person of the Father, what are the “word” and feminine side of Jesus and of the Spirit?
If both Jesus and Spirit were naturally co-equal with the Father, then their word and their feminine side must have also had “two” other additional persons along with their two “masculine” persons, or otherwise they are not equally divine.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.”
You nicely describe a merit of rites for separating someone from Hell.
With just his 50,000 years rites, Iblis has got rewarded with more than 13 Billion years, and still counting on, to have been spared from Hell.
Iblis should have been already in the deepest fire of Hell on the day 1st of his rebellion if he had not owned a huge rite.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF”
Impossible. It is firmly established by the Bible that Allah can’t be Satan:
(1) Jesus says that Satan is the father of Jews, including of himself and of his mother. But in Islam, Allah has not fathered any Jew at all, not even Jesus.
So Allah can’t be Satan.
(2) Devils have a core satanic belief that Jesus was a son of God, whereas in Islam Allah doesn’t teach the sonship of Jesus at all. So, Allah cannot be Satan.
[ so the Son should have been the Father….blah..blah..blah… ] Nope The Son is The Word of God no silly wishful thinking can change that.
Jesus is The Word of the Father who Reveals The Father WITHOUT The Word NOTHING can KNOW nor CONNECT with The Father.
[ The Unitarians do not accept that stupid babbling ] But Muslims specially the Malikis, Hanafis and Shafiis should receive that , because it’s kind of inline with their understanding of The Word of God as being DESCRIBABLE Quran and INDESCRIBABLE Quran.
And we both know you’re totally not a Unitarian..come on little girl why are you act so cowardice like this ? you aren’t fooling anybody but yourself
[ How about Jesus’ own words with which the Son is known?How about the Spirit’s words with which it is known? ] The words of Jesus is eternal manifestation of Holy Spirit John 6:63, ‘The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you–they are full of the Spirit and life ‘
How the Holy Spirit manifests Himself through the words is only according to WHAT BEFITS Him and not to a wishful thinking of a silly heretical muslims.
[ Sons by covenant? Stupid. Adam as a son of God existed long time before any covenant available] Incorrect ! the BLOOD Covenant of The Lamb that Slain is ETERNALLY ESTABLISHED not to mention Jesus as He reincarnated and enter time is also called THE LAST ADAM meaning the creation of Adam is based also on COVENANT in ETERNITY.
1 Peter 1:19-20 “but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD of Christ, A LAMB without blemish or defect. He was CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD , but was revealed in these last times for your sake
True God has and will always been A COVENANT God.
Everything in the universe is FOR CHRIST Glory through His Covenant , the focus is COVENANT only those who STAY IN THE PREDESTINED COVENANT that will reveal His Glory.
[ No, those angels of Heaven are “holy” just like Jesus was, because they “choose” to not do any sin, unlike what Lucifer and demons choose. Don’t you know that?] Lucifer CHOSE to REJECT God’s Mercy and Grace.
Through Monotheism is about acknowledging NO OTHER THING HOLY BUT GOD ALONE !
Other thing can be holy only by His Grace .
[ Morning Star, angels ..blah..blah…blah ] About angels already being explained angel are not part of COVENANT to be incorporated into Body of Christ . Almost like Ishmael is not SON OF PROMISED to Abraham ( since Isaac is the promised son that God promised to Abraham) God wanna teach a lesson about the important of Covenant , again it’s because God of Jews and Christians are God of COVENANT.
1 Thes 4:16 It’s the end time that’s why the voice of angel and trumpet is present in ceremonial way, but the one that resurrect the dead is solely Lord Jesus’s COMMAND
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a LOUD COMMAND with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first, i think it’s clear enough the LOUD COMMAND originates from the Lord Himsef and based on John 6:63 the Command is the ‘eternal manifestation of Holy Spirit according to WHAT BEFITS Him.
I completely understand how probably your father might very abusive to you considering he raise a child that becomes so cowardice and low self esteem that you need two accounts ( @grace and Anonymous) to confront me. You even claimed that you are not the same person” , here there’s no need to pretend only a low self esteem person that is so coward like you that masked as a Unitarian when in fact you’re a Muslim. I don’t know that you’re so ashamed of your your religion that you even use this cowardice tactic. But shoot yourself, it’s your life girl! if you wanna life as a coward low self esteem person it’s your choice. 🙂
Again you’re not answering
[ Here’s a good example why Muslims so hesitant to trust Allah entirely to be their WALEE :
Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.
Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’
What’s more idiot and twisted than that ?
He Had to sacrifice His Most Staunch Faithful Follower of Tawheed ( The Eblees), not to mention many Adam’s descendants go to hell because of SHIRK because Eblees refusal to commit Shirk. This is just self abrogating logic
There’s no logical and moral lesson that muslims can learn from Allah’s IDIOCITY In fact there are only PAINFUL LESSONS :
1. How pious and righteous you’ve been in your Iba’ad’a of Tawheed sadly like Ebless there’s no guarantee your Tawheed will save you even if you had been making and storing your good deeds for 50,000 years. NO GUARANTEE from your Tawheed that you can be safe from the merciless authoritarian dictatorship of Allah when Allah wanna have you in eternal torment of hell.
2. Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.
3. It’s self deceiving to look at Allah as WALEE , just look at Eblees who in his Tawheed regarded Allah as his ONLY WALEE , look at what Eblees got .
4. It finally will get any reasonable human being into two options to believe , either :
(a) Allah is a true God but certainly IDIOT and MERCILESS DESPICABLE entity.
(b) Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF who deceives humankind by presenting the most TWISTED form of God’s mercy and justice for ordering Allah’s most faithful folower to commit the most hideous sin in Islam but when the faithful follower refuse to do it then Allah condemned him FOREVER in unending torment ].
With the case of Eblees :
1) How do you know that all of your PIOUS Tawheed Ib’ada’a will not go waste when Allah in His TWISTED IDIOT mind decide to to go to hell ?,you even haven’t lived 100 years
2) How can Allah be justified as WALEE for intentionally order Allah’s most staunch follower of Tawheed to commit Shirk while when Eblees refused then suddenly Ebleees WITHOUT ANY EXCUSE be damnable FOREVER ?
3) Why won’t you carefully consider your life here ? With having a CHILDISH Allah who plays you MERCILESSLY like a HELPLESS TOY why are you willing so idiotically to trust such DESPICABLE entity ? You should SERIOUSLY consider that you are being misguided by Allah THE SATAN.
You are full of misguided people even according your own islamic standard , because Satanic Verses are CONFIRMED by your own RESPECTED Islamic scholars Imam al-Jalalyn in his TAFSEER , At-Tabari ,Ibn Ishaq etc, abut how Muhammad admits he receive the verses FROM SATAN. But since you deny that it means for you they are lying . However according to a Sahih Hadith
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229
This means many of your scholars are HELL-DWELLERS , but the funny and ironic thing is you STILL USE their materials as reference eg. Tafseer al-Jalalayn. Logically speaking the conclusion
Muslims are bunch of MISGUIDED People MISGUIDING THEMSELVES EACH OTHER unto HELL.
Seriously you should give a careful thought about Islam
Cheers
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Nope The Son is The Word of God no silly wishful thinking can change that.”
This is gonna be funny. Let play it a little bit.
(i) If Jesus is the Word of Father, thus four Gospels must be four words that reveal who the Son is, hence there are more 4 gods. Are you ready to worship four Gospels?
(ii) If Jesus is the Word of the Father, also are the Torah (5 books) of Moses and other minor Prophetic books, that construct 39 books of the Old Testament.
Do you realise the Jews have 39 gods revealing who the Father is, because they are all God’s words. Do you believe that the Torah is your god?
“The words of Jesus is eternal manifestation of Holy Spirit John 6:63, ‘The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you–they are full of the Spirit and life ‘ How the Holy Spirit manifests Himself through the words is only according to WHAT BEFITS Him and not to a wishful thinking of a silly heretical muslims.”
Okay, let us examine your belief. If the Spirit were the word of Jesus, you now have 4 Spirits because there are 4 Gospels. The amount of your NT gods adds to be 7 (3 persons plus 4 Gospels). Is it not the Trinity any longer, is it?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: [ No, those angels of Heaven are “holy” just like Jesus was, because they “choose” to not do any sin, unlike what Lucifer and demons choose. Don’t you know that?] Lucifer CHOSE to REJECT God’s Mercy and Grace.
Indeed, the angels are not bound to covenant whatsoever, therefore angels have been the sons of God without covenant, okay? Thus, the angels are sons just like Jesus was.
The Trinitarians borrowed the idea of “Son of God” from the Old Testament’s sons of God on angels.
“[ Morning Star, angels ..blah..blah…blah ] About angels already being explained angel are not part of COVENANT to be incorporated into Body of Christ .”
That’s right, so angels have been the sons of God without covenant.
Thus, the angels are sons just like Jesus was. Do you worship those angels as the sons of God?
“1 Thes 4:16 It’s the end time that’s why the voice of angel and trumpet is present in ceremonial way, but the one that resurrect the dead is solely Lord Jesus’s COMMAND”
The “Lord” in 1 Thes 4:16 is the Father, so it is a Father’s command for both Jesus and angels.
It means you agree that the holy angels with the voices of archangel have a similar power to resurrect the dead ones. Do you also worship angels?
1Th 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.”
Who has deceived you so badly and stupidly so that you are really misguided on Adam’s story in Quran?
No body considers the prostration behind a Imam as the sin of shirk.
The correct interpretation is: Allah commands both Adam and angels to prostrate in an assembly. Adam (as Imam in front the angels) and angels (as Ma’mum behind Adam the Imam) altogether fall prostrating like in a congregational Salat.
“Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’.”
Iblis commits a great unforgivable sin of idolatry after he demands his demons and his human devotees to worship him as their god.
@Grace a.k.a Anonymous
[ Is it not the Trinity any longer, is it?] hahahahahaha………..
The Bible and its sentences DO NOT CONTAIN THE ESSENCE OF GOD in fact it’s USELESS DEAD WORDS when human read it without the assistance of Holy Spirit.
2 Cor 3: 6 ; who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; FOR THE LETTER KILLS BUT THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE.
Only when In His Grace Jesus The Word of God manifests His Holy Spirit speaking through those letters in our hearts then at that point we encounter HIM .
Bible is not RECITATION or INCANTATION book like Quran where you just blabbering gibberish words without the need to understand the meaning, Bible is a medium to communicate and encounter Jesus The Word of God through The Holy Spirit.
Quran even should be identified as SORCERY book because you guys often use it as INCANTATION when performing RUQYA that’s why the Wahabitsts consider every words in Quran as Uncreated while the other 3 non-Wahabists MAdhab of Sunnis see every words in Quran has this ‘mystical’ nature of having 2 essences Created and Uncreated.
Muslims are in confusion and misguidance for thinking some mere words as containing divine essence.
[ Thus, the angels are sons just like Jesus was ] Just a simple No
– Human are in Covenant
-Lord Jesus is The COVENANT Himself (remember He is The Word of God) and He is The True Son of God that PROCEED from the Father .
– Angels are just angels , even if you wanna insist angels to be sons then they are practically like Ishmael the son with NO COVENANT
[ 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout (greek keleusma : commanding shout / shout of authority ) , with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first ] It’s so clear that Lord Jesus’ as the revelation of the Father will manifest His shouting command through His Holy Spirit in the last day will rise the dead and His second coming is being accompanied by Archangel’s voice and trumpet .
It’s so simple ,you’re just hardening your mind and heart from a very simple truth.
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[ The correct interpretation is: Allah commands both Adam and angels to prostrate in an assembly. Adam (as Imam in front the angels) and angels (as Ma’mum behind Adam the Imam) altogether fall prostrating like in a congregational Salat….blah..blah..blah …..Iblis commits a great unforgivable sin of idolatry after he demands his demons and his human devotees to worship him as their god] You know very well this is not true , Eblees was condemned forever solely because his refusal to commit shirk by bowing to Adam. This fact is safely ESTABLISHED in majority of islamic circle
Again i point out , Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’.
You are living in confusion and misguidance
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Please Read this again carefully
Here’s a good example why Muslims so hesitant to trust Allah entirely to be their WALEE :
Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.
Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’
What’s more idiot and twisted than that ?
He Had to sacrifice His Most Staunch Faithful Follower of Tawheed ( The Eblees), not to mention many Adam’s descendants go to hell because of SHIRK because Eblees refusal to commit Shirk. This is just self abrogating logic
There’s no logical and moral lesson that muslims can learn from Allah’s IDIOCITY In fact there are only PAINFUL LESSONS :
1. How pious and righteous you’ve been in your Iba’ad’a of Tawheed sadly like Ebless there’s no guarantee your Tawheed will save you even if you had been making and storing your good deeds for 50,000 years. NO GUARANTEE from your Tawheed that you can be safe from the merciless authoritarian dictatorship of Allah when Allah wanna have you in eternal torment of hell.
2. Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.
3. It’s self deceiving to look at Allah as WALEE , just look at Eblees who in his Tawheed regarded Allah as his ONLY WALEE , look at what Eblees got .
4. It finally will get any reasonable human being into two options to believe , either :
(a) Allah is a true God but certainly IDIOT and MERCILESS DESPICABLE entity.
(b) Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF who deceives humankind by presenting the most TWISTED form of God’s mercy and justice for ordering Allah’s most faithful folower to commit the most hideous sin in Islam but when the faithful follower refuse to do it then Allah condemned him FOREVER in unending torment ].
With the case of Eblees :
A) How do you know that all of your PIOUS Tawheed Ib’ada’a will not go waste when Allah in His TWISTED IDIOT mind decide to to go to hell ?,you even haven’t lived 100 years
B) How can Allah be justified as WALEE for intentionally order Allah’s most staunch follower of Tawheed to commit Shirk while when Eblees refused then suddenly Ebleees WITHOUT ANY EXCUSE be damnable FOREVER ?
C) Why won’t you carefully consider your life here ? With having a CHILDISH Allah who plays you MERCILESSLY like a HELPLESS TOY why are you willing so idiotically to trust such DESPICABLE entity ? You should SERIOUSLY consider that you are being misguided by Allah THE SATAN.
You are full of misguided people even according your own islamic standard , because Satanic Verses are CONFIRMED by your own RESPECTED Islamic scholars Imam al-Jalalyn in his TAFSEER , At-Tabari ,Ibn Ishaq etc, abut how Muhammad admits he receive the verses FROM SATAN. But since you deny that it means for you they are lying . However according to a Sahih Hadith
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229
This means many of your scholars are HELL-DWELLERS , but the funny and ironic thing is you STILL USE their materials as reference eg. Tafseer al-Jalalayn. Logically speaking the conclusion
Muslims are bunch of MISGUIDED People MISGUIDING THEMSELVES EACH OTHER unto HELL.
I know you’re just the same person @grace / @anonymous whoever pity soul you are , again please ponder carefully on your own twisted religion Eblees one of Allah most devout follower of Tawheed was easily condemned WITHOUT ANY REMISSION , imagine his thousand of years of good deeds as PIOUS TAWHEED Follower were just vaporizing easily , and you even haven’t reached 100 yrs of age.
Even if somehow you would end up in heaven and would live for 1 MILLION YEARS but what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t turn you in to another Eblees in the future ? His WORD ? Don’t you know Allah is notoriously known for ABROGATING HIS OWN ORDINANCE ?
Please think carefully about the deception of Islam , JUST LOOK AT YOURSELF we all know you are disguising as @Anonymous the one that you’re deceiving is practically yourself
May God have Mercy on your pity soul
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: The Bible and its sentences DO NOT CONTAIN THE ESSENCE OF GOD in fact it’s USELESS DEAD WORDS when human read it”
Thanks to admit that your Bible is really a “dead word”, full of contradictions, meaning that it is not God’s words.
Paul has not got a memo from Jesus that the Gospel is eternal life from God in Jn 12:50.
Paul has not get a message from Jesus that whosoever hears his Gospel while believing in God shall pass the death to life in John 5:24?
“without the assistance of Holy Spirit.”
You accuse your Jesus of lying in John 5:24?
Only Father and Gospel are needed. None needs the Spirit:
Jn 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Jn 12:50
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
“2 Cor 3: 6 ; who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; FOR THE LETTER KILLS BUT THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE.”
What? How about two unknown symbols of two dead letters “Alpha” and “Omega” in the NT Bible?
Who kills who?
Jesus didn’t write a Gospel at all, so how is it possible for the Letters to kill any living one if it is dead?
“Only when In His Grace Jesus The Word of God manifests His Holy Spirit speaking through those letters in our hearts then at that point we encounter HIM .”
John 5:24 doesn’t need Spirit, but the Father.
Jesus didn’t write a Gospel at all, so how is it possible for the Letters to kill any living one if it is dead?
“Bible is not RECITATION or INCANTATION book like Quran where you just blabbering gibberish words without the need to understand the meaning,”
How about two unknown symbols of two dead letters “Alpha” and “Omega” in the NT Bible?
How about the unknown wording “Higgaion Selah” in Ps 9:16?
How about the unknown meaning of the long list of Hebrew alphabets in Ps 119, from Ps 119:1 (Aleph) to Ps 119:169 (Tau)?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: -Lord Jesus is The COVENANT Himself (remember He is The Word of God) and He is The True Son of God that PROCEED from the Father .”
Therefore, the Word (that proceeds and reveals who Jesus is) in the form of 4 Gospels must be also 4 gods.
Be consistent.
And the word of Spirit in the epistles (Acts and Revelation) must be 2 gods that reveal and proceed from the Spirit. Now, you have more additional 6 persons along with 3 persons.
“– Angels are just angels , even if you wanna insist angels to be sons then they are practically like Ishmael the son with NO COVENANT”
That’s argument I need most. Bear in mind that Ishmael has the same nature with Abraham’s and Isaac’s. Hence, the angels (though they are without covenant) still have same nature with Jesus. Do you believe in the divinity of all angels?
“It’s so clear that Lord Jesus’ as the revelation of the Father will manifest His shouting command through His Holy Spirit in the last day will rise the dead and His second coming is being accompanied by Archangel’s voice and trumpet .”
That’s silly.
Don’t you think how Jesus has also archangel’s nature with archangel voice?
Does Jesus have three natures: man, son, angel?
Apparently you do not believe in Dualism of Jesus but in Tri-nature of Jesus.
[ Paul has not got a memo hears his Gospel while believing in God shall pass the death to life in John 5:24 blah..blah..blah… ]
again it’s so clear
2 Cor 3: 6 ; who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; FOR THE LETTER KILLS BUT THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE.
There’s NO USE of reading the bible without the assistance and grace of Holy Spirit . JUST LOOK AT YOURSELF you’re the living proof of deadly effect for reading without humbling yourself to Holy Spirit God because you are misguiding yourself to spiritual death.
Only when In His Grace Jesus The Word of God manifests His Holy Spirit speaking through those letters in our hearts then at that point we encounter HIM .
Bible is not RECITATION or INCANTATION book like Quran where you just blabbering gibberish words without the need to understand the meaning, Bible is a medium to communicate and encounter Jesus The Word of God through The Holy Spirit
We are not Muslims , you guyz are in confusion over DEAD LETTERS
-Wahhabists are in the point of EQUALIZING dead letters to Allah
-Non-Wahhabists are confused what the Word of God really is that the only conclusion is to describe it INDESCRIBABLE
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life
And as being put in context it’s SMOOTHLY suited with John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are SPIRIT and they are life
[ How about two unknown symbols of two dead letters “Alpha” and “Omega” in the NT Bible?} hahaha it’s just a simple symbol to re-emphasize Jesus as the First and The Last following the hebrew letter Aleph and Tav ,
[ How about the unknown wording “Higgaion Selah” in Ps 9:16?How about the unknown meaning of the long list of Hebrew alphabets in Ps 119, from Ps 119:1 (Aleph) to Ps 119:169 (Tau) ] hahahaha by it’s nature it’s a poem and song book it’s about arranging your tone and take break between lines and to read in order . We are not superstitious misguided people like the muslims with all of your crazy mysticism like RUQYA , if RUQYA HAD BEEN WORKED THAN YOUR PROPHET WOULDN’T HAVE GOT POSSESSED BY DEVIL.
This is so funny !
Again, sorry we’re not muslims having SORCERY book like Quran with all of those silly incantations .
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[ And the word of Spirit in the epistles (Acts and Revelation) must be 2 gods that reveal and proceed from the Spirit. Now, you have more additional 6 persons along with 3 persons. ] hahahahahahaha..just listen to yourself completely going psycho .
It’s so simple God the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son , He PROCEED from the Father THROUGH the Son in the way according to what BEFITS HIM.
This is the manifestation of The Holy Trinity : God, the Word of God and The Holy Spirit of God
[ Do you believe in the divinity of all angels? ] Of course NOT
It’s so simple God wanna teach about the ABSOLUTE necessity of COVENANT , so the focus here is COVENANT and NOT the nature of Ishmael. Furthermore Lord Jesus is The Word of God that PROCEED from the Father while angels are creation as same as human, Angel could be comparable to Ishmael who doesn’t have the promise while Human are comparable to Isaac. You even have the wrong comparison.
[ Don’t you think how Jesus has also archangel’s nature with archangel voice?
Does Jesus have three natures: man, son, angel?
Apparently you do not believe in Dualism of Jesus but in Tri-nature of Jesus. ] hahahahahahahahaha, O my God just listen to yourself , Jesus has archangel nature ? hahahahahaha thank you for your joke by the way !
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Please Read this again carefully, THIS MIGHT HAVE IMPACT ON WHERE YOU WOULD SPEND IN ETERNITY :
Here’s a good example why Muslims so hesitant to trust Allah entirely to be their WALEE :
Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.
Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’
What’s more idiot and twisted than that ?
He Had to sacrifice His Most Staunch Faithful Follower of Tawheed ( The Eblees), not to mention many Adam’s descendants go to hell because of SHIRK because Eblees refusal to commit Shirk. This is just self abrogating logic
There’s no logical and moral lesson that muslims can learn from Allah’s IDIOCITY In fact there are only PAINFUL LESSONS :
1. How pious and righteous you’ve been in your Iba’ad’a of Tawheed sadly like Ebless there’s no guarantee your Tawheed will save you even if you had been making and storing your good deeds for 50,000 years. NO GUARANTEE from your Tawheed that you can be safe from the merciless authoritarian dictatorship of Allah when Allah wanna have you in eternal torment of hell.
2. Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.
3. It’s self deceiving to look at Allah as WALEE , just look at Eblees who in his Tawheed regarded Allah as his ONLY WALEE , look at what Eblees got .
4. It finally will get any reasonable human being into two options to believe , either :
(a) Allah is a true God but certainly IDIOT and MERCILESS DESPICABLE entity.
(b) Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF who deceives humankind by presenting the most TWISTED form of God’s mercy and justice for ordering Allah’s most faithful folower to commit the most hideous sin in Islam but when the faithful follower refuse to do it then Allah condemned him FOREVER in unending torment ].
With the case of Eblees :
A) How do you know that all of your PIOUS Tawheed Ib’ada’a will not go waste when Allah in His TWISTED IDIOT mind decide to to go to hell ?,you even haven’t lived 100 years
B) How can Allah be justified as WALEE for intentionally order Allah’s most staunch follower of Tawheed to commit Shirk while when Eblees refused then suddenly Ebleees WITHOUT ANY EXCUSE be damnable FOREVER ?
C) Why won’t you carefully consider your life here ? With having a CHILDISH Allah who plays you MERCILESSLY like a HELPLESS TOY why are you willing so idiotically to trust such DESPICABLE entity ? You should SERIOUSLY consider that you are being misguided by Allah THE SATAN.
You are full of misguided people even according your own islamic standard , because Satanic Verses are CONFIRMED by your own RESPECTED Islamic scholars Imam al-Jalalyn in his TAFSEER , At-Tabari ,Ibn Ishaq etc, abut how Muhammad admits he receive the verses FROM SATAN. But since you deny that it means for you they are lying . However according to a Sahih Hadith
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229
This means many of your scholars are HELL-DWELLERS , but the funny and ironic thing is you STILL USE their materials as reference eg. Tafseer al-Jalalayn. Logically speaking the conclusion
Muslims are bunch of MISGUIDED People MISGUIDING THEMSELVES EACH OTHER unto HELL.
I know you’re just the same person @grace / @anonymous whoever pity soul you are , again please ponder carefully on your own twisted religion Eblees one of Allah most devout follower of Tawheed was easily condemned WITHOUT ANY REMISSION , imagine his thousand of years of good deeds as PIOUS TAWHEED Follower were just vaporizing easily , and you even haven’t reached 100 yrs of age.
Even if somehow you would end up in heaven and would live for 1 MILLION YEARS but what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t turn you in to another Eblees in the future ? His WORD ? Don’t you know Allah is notoriously known for ABROGATING HIS OWN ORDINANCE ?
Please think carefully about the deception of Islam , JUST LOOK AT YOURSELF we all know you are disguising as @Anonymous the one that you’re deceiving is practically yourself
May God have Mercy on your pity soul
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: There’s NO USE of reading the bible without the assistance and grace of Holy Spirit .”
Why do you keep blaspheming the words of God and Jesus’ Gospels by mocking them as the “dead letters” full of contradictions? Even unbelievably you accused Gospel of being a “killer”? That’s insane.
You mocked Jn 5:24, Jn 12:50, even you don’t see how in Jn 6:63 the Gospel itself “is” a Spirit. Why do you need other spirits?
I am sure, you’re considering to apostatize from Christianity soon.
“JUST LOOK AT YOURSELF you’re the living proof of deadly effect for reading without humbling yourself to Holy Spirit God because you are misguiding yourself to spiritual death.”
Your so-called spirit must be an “unholy” blasphemous spirit.
The Gospel kills people into a spiritual death? Gospel is a sin? This is a gross insult to the Bible and Gospel.
Are you sure to accuse the Bible of being a killer and a sin?
BTW, Jn 6:63 refers Jesus’ Gospel (his word) as the Spirit itself. No need more other spirits.
“Only when In His Grace Jesus The Word of God manifests His Holy Spirit speaking through those letters in our hearts then at that point we encounter HIM .”
It is you who mocked the Spirit (Gospel’s word) in Jn 6:63 as the “dead letters” by your unholy blasphemous spirits. Are you sure to keep accusing the Bible of being a killer and a sin?
“John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life
And as being put in context it’s SMOOTHLY suited with John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are SPIRIT and they are life”
Yes, the Gospel itself “is” Spirit.
No need more other unholy spirits.
“it’s just a simple symbol to re-emphasize Jesus as the First and The Last following the hebrew letter Aleph and Tav,”
You said that those letters Alpha and Omega are “dead” and “killing”, so the letters could be the “first death” and the “last killer”.
“by it’s nature it’s a poem and song book it’s about arranging your tone and take break between lines and to read in order .”
If those Hebrew letters are just line-breaker, why don’t the Jewish Scribes use the same exact Hebrew letters for other chapters of Psalms and other books, to be as the line-breakers, eh?
Why don’t you use same Hebrew letters for Isaiah and Genesis, eh?
Be consistent?
“It’s so simple God the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son , He PROCEED from the Father THROUGH the Son in the way according to what BEFITS HIM.”
Four Gospels also proceed from Jesus. There are the similar: Jesus comes from Father, 4 Gospels come from Son.
By so, you have now 4 Words as 4 persons to reveal who Jesus is.
Why are you not so consistent now?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: [ Do you believe in the divinity of all angels? ] Of course NOT It’s so simple God wanna teach about the ABSOLUTE necessity of COVENANT”
Angels are bound by covenant:
2Pet 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
So, “Covenant” is a set for the life and death: a reward for choosing the faith and a punishment for choosing the sins. Therefore, the faithful angels choose to not commit sins, thus they are called “holy angels”, whereas Lucifer and demons choose to commit sins, thus they’re called “sinful angels”.
“so the focus here is COVENANT and NOT the nature of Ishmael.”
The issue here is: Angels are called “Sons” of God. They have a preexistence along with the Morning Stars.
“angels are creation as same as human, Angel could be comparable to Ishmael who doesn’t have the promise while Human are comparable to Isaac. You even have the wrong comparison.”
When did God create angels if they already shouted and sang “before” the world began in the 1st Day?
Jesus and the Bible are silent on when exactly the day the angels were created, because they don’t know.
“[ Don’t you think how Jesus has also archangel’s nature with archangel voice? Does Jesus have three natures: man, son, angel? Apparently you do not believe in Dualism of Jesus but in Tri-nature of Jesus. ] hahahahahahahahaha, O my God just listen to yourself , Jesus has archangel nature ? hahahahahaha thank you for your joke by the way !”
That’s too funny, isn’t it? That’s in your Bible: Jesus was angel.
Gen 22
11 And the *angel* of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from *me*.
1Th 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[ Even unbelievably you accused Gospel of being a “killer”? That’s insane.blah..blah,,blah accusing the Bible of being a killer and a sin ] I’m deeply apologized for your Insanity but your insanity is also the very proof of what i’m talking about, you’re in the path of spiritual death damnable to hell forever because you read the LETTERS without the Grace and assistance of Holy Spirit.
Again very sorry for your insanity , The Gospel only gives LIFE when it’s MANIFESTED DIRECTLY by God the Holy Spirit . We’re not like you guys , we worship A LIVING GOD while muslims may claim to worship God but actually you’re worshiping DEAD RULES and DEAD LETTERS in other words YOU ARE WORSHIPING RELIGION A LIFELESS ENTITY.
The Letters for us christians are primary medium ordained by God to encounter Lord Jesus the LIVING Word of God through His Holy Spirit , but in order for this medium to be effective it has to be under the Grace of Holy Spirit and if NOT it will bring you to the path of spiritual death.
Gospel is ALIVE when being spoken DIRECTLY BY GOD Himself and WITHOUT Him it will only bring you to spiritual death. Hence your insanity is the proof.
YES ! Reading Bible without humility asking grace and the assistance of God the Holy Spirit to SPEAK DIRECTLY to you through those letters will bring you to the path of spiritual death 2 Cor 3:6 , for the LETTER KILLS but the SPIRIT GIVES LIFE
[ If those Hebrew letters are just line-breaker, why don’t the Jewish Scribes use the same exact Hebrew letters for other chapters of Psalms and other books, to be as the line-breakers, eh?
Why don’t you use same Hebrew letters for Isaiah and Genesis, eh?] The Psalm was written under the guidance of Holy Spirit toward couple of Psalmers , since it consists of prophetic song and poetry with DIFFERENT EMPHASIS , then some necessarily doesn’t have to have the same the tone arrangement and line breaker …hahahahha for Allah’s sake , it’s a song and poetry book, and you treat it as rule book .
[ Four Gospels also proceed from Jesus.] hahahahahahahaha…. you’re truly clowning yourself OMG !
You are so tied and blinded by This LETTERS mindset , the 4 Gospels are written under the inspiration of Holy Spirit to the Matthew, Mark ,Luke and John to tell about Jesus the Living Word of God. BUT again remember to read the Gospel you have to humbly ask Holy Spirit to SPOKE DIRECTLY those verses to you.
Of course NOT It’s so simple God wanna teach about the ABSOLUTE necessity of COVENANT”
The Covenant is about Christ Jesus Son of God died and rose for mankind NOT ONLY for saving human from sin but to have them incorporated into HIS SPIRITUAL BODY , that’s why we the christians are called The Body of Christ
Using Islamic term in order for you the understand this covenant:
– Fitra Insaniyyaa of a muslim is to be forever servant of Allah
– Fitra Insaniyyaa of a Christian is to be incorporated with Christ unto ABSOLUTE SELFLESSNESS so not me anymore but ONLY CHRIST ALONE ( Galatians 2 : 20) I have been crucified with Christ; IT IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME
This is the very reason of Adam’s creation , to be one with the Word of God , God has predestined Lord Jesus the Word of God to INCORPORATE Himself with us through establishing the Slain of the Lamb before the foundation of the world meaning through Reincarnating Himself as Human then be crucified , died and rose again. This is THE COVENANT .
He was crucified , died and rose NOT as angel for fulfilling covenant about angel but died and rose as Human for fulfilling covenant about HUMAN
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, PROMISED BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN.” (Titus 1:2)
This is why UNLIKE ALLAH when we reach heaven and live there even after 1 MILLION years there will be no uncertainty whether God will change His mind and then somehow trick and condemn us like what happen between Allah and Eblees. Remember Allah is a COVENANT BREAKER and ABROGATOR while a True God stay true to His Eternal COVENANT.
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The Hebrew word malakh is actually means REPRESENTATIVE or Messenger or Ambassador , it applies to many such as Priest ( Malachi 2:7) , Prophets (Haggai 1:13) and angelic beings but speaking of Malakh JHVH in Gen 22 is certainly not an angelic being as in islamic term but more suited to be identified as Representation of JHVH .
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[ 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first ] hahahahaha… let me teach you again to understand this very simple sentences
— the voice of archangel and trumpet absolutely have nothing to do with raising the dead, it is connected with the END TIME event ..come on..it’s END TIME dude ! even in Islam you guys believe the trumpet being blown by Israfil , please just don’t be hard on your self ..it’s so simple.
— The dead will be raised solely by Lord Jesus’s command
Don’t be hard on yourself , it’s not good for your brain’s health.
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Please Read this again carefully, THIS MIGHT HAVE IMPACT ON WHERE YOU WOULD SPEND IN ETERNITY :
Here’s a good example why Muslims so hesitant to trust Allah entirely to be their WALEE :
Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.
Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’
What’s more idiot and twisted than that ?
He Had to sacrifice His Most Staunch Faithful Follower of Tawheed ( The Eblees), not to mention many Adam’s descendants go to hell because of SHIRK because Eblees refusal to commit Shirk. This is just self abrogating logic
There’s no logical and moral lesson that muslims can learn from Allah’s IDIOCITY In fact there are only PAINFUL LESSONS :
1. How pious and righteous you’ve been in your Iba’ad’a of Tawheed sadly like Ebless there’s no guarantee your Tawheed will save you even if you had been making and storing your good deeds for 50,000 years. NO GUARANTEE from your Tawheed that you can be safe from the merciless authoritarian dictatorship of Allah when Allah wanna have you in eternal torment of hell.
2. Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.
3. It’s self deceiving to look at Allah as WALEE , just look at Eblees who in his Tawheed regarded Allah as his ONLY WALEE , look at what Eblees got .
4. It finally will get any reasonable human being into two options to believe , either :
(a) Allah is a true God but certainly IDIOT and MERCILESS DESPICABLE entity.
(b) Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF who deceives humankind by presenting the most TWISTED form of God’s mercy and justice for ordering Allah’s most faithful folower to commit the most hideous sin in Islam but when the faithful follower refuse to do it then Allah condemned him FOREVER in unending torment ].
With the case of Eblees :
A) How do you know that all of your PIOUS Tawheed Ib’ada’a will not go waste when Allah in His TWISTED IDIOT mind decide to to go to hell ?,you even haven’t lived 100 years
B) How can Allah be justified as WALEE for intentionally order Allah’s most staunch follower of Tawheed to commit Shirk while when Eblees refused then suddenly Ebleees WITHOUT ANY EXCUSE be damnable FOREVER ?
C) Why won’t you carefully consider your life here ? With having a CHILDISH Allah who plays you MERCILESSLY like a HELPLESS TOY why are you willing so idiotically to trust such DESPICABLE entity ? You should SERIOUSLY consider that you are being misguided by Allah THE SATAN.
You are full of misguided people even according your own islamic standard , because Satanic Verses are CONFIRMED by your own RESPECTED Islamic scholars Imam al-Jalalyn in his TAFSEER , At-Tabari ,Ibn Ishaq etc, abut how Muhammad admits he receive the verses FROM SATAN. But since you deny that it means for you they are lying . However according to a Sahih Hadith
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229
This means many of your scholars are HELL-DWELLERS , but the funny and ironic thing is you STILL USE their materials as reference eg. Tafseer al-Jalalayn. Logically speaking the conclusion
Muslims are bunch of MISGUIDED People MISGUIDING THEMSELVES EACH OTHER unto HELL.
I know you’re just the same person @grace / @anonymous whoever pity soul you are , again please ponder carefully on your own twisted religion Eblees one of Allah most devout follower of Tawheed was easily condemned WITHOUT ANY REMISSION , imagine his thousand of years of good deeds as PIOUS TAWHEED Follower were just vaporizing easily , and you even haven’t reached 100 yrs of age.
Even if somehow you would end up in heaven and would live for 1 MILLION YEARS but what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t turn you in to another Eblees in the future ? His WORD ? Don’t you know Allah is notoriously known for ABROGATING HIS OWN ORDINANCE ?
Please think carefully about the deception of Islam , JUST LOOK AT YOURSELF we all know you are disguising as @Anonymous the one that you’re deceiving is practically yourself
May God have Mercy on your pity soul
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: The Gospel only gives LIFE when it’s MANIFESTED DIRECTLY by God the Holy Spirit”
This is a matter of magical hocus pocus of mythology.
You don’t know “what” Spirit is, you never see his face, never hear his voice, so How could you claim to know a ghost you never know?
Now, What is his sign? like a talking ass? a talking dove? like a talking fire? Is it like a ghostly waiter in a “whiter shade of pale”? Are you drinking so much boozes?
Suppose you claim you are guided by an alien, but you never see that alien at all, never hear his voice, how could you claim to know any alien?
“under the Grace of Holy Spirit”
What is his name actually? Jesus? Jehovah?
How does it look like when guiding you? as a dove?
When does he come to you? at night?
You never proved nor saw Spirit’s existence, so how does he guide you?
“2 Cor 3:6 , for the LETTER KILLS but the SPIRIT GIVES LIFE”
By hocus pocus?
Do you practice a dark magic? Are you a pagan shaman?
“BUT again remember to read the Gospel you have to humbly ask Holy Spirit to SPOKE DIRECTLY those verses to you.”
What is his sign? like a talking ass? a talking dove? like a talking fire?
Is it like a ghostly waiter in a “whiter shade of pale”?
Are you drinking so much boozes?
You nailed it.
A subjective claim of being guided by a mysterious entity “Holy Ghost” is far worse than a silly Santa Claus or other creature of silly mythology.
I look for the lamest silly excuse : Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways.
Guess what? Nobody can prove the guidance of Holy Spirit because nobody knows what he is, what his name is, how he comes in, how he guides.
A way to silence and accuse a person ” You don’t have Spirit” is as empty as a silly subjective claim “you have Spirit”. You can’t prove both claims because you don’t know what, how, who Spirit is.
Perhaps the sign of Evangelist spirits is: it makes the polemicist loser much fat, bald, and angry.
If the Trinitarians can prove the existence of Holy Spirit in themselves, I suppose all Atheists would quickly turn to believe in God.
@ Grace / Anonymous , TAKING MANY REPLY SECTIONS is indication of you seemingly TROUBLED by the truth ,does the truth somehow PIERCE your heart ?
[ You don’t know “what” Spirit is, you never see his face, never hear his voice ] Thank you , you’re proving my point
John 14:17 , the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you
John 14:26 ; But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME , he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him
It’s ONLY by GRACE that you can experience the revelation of Christ ,
[ This is a matter of magical hocus pocus of mythology.blah..blah…blah ]hahahahaha, Enlightenment is always personal and spiritual . You’re talking like an atheist by the way which shows your mindset how you personally HAVE INNER DOUBT on your own religion :
— AM I REALLY GETTING HIDAYA ? What’s The Proof for me ?
–AM I IMMUNE TO Satan OR NOT ? Some scholars like Imam al-Jalalyn , Imam at-Tabari etc claim that even Muhammad HAD NO IMMUNITY to Satan because of Satanic Verses, If Muhammad had no immunity how would then i immune then ?
However if those scholars wrong then according to Sahih Hadith they are surely damnable to hell
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229
But How Can this MISGUIDED scholars guide many people through their Tafseers ( al-Jalalayn and at-Tabari) etc ? Am I Really in the right path or not ?
— As Wahhaby where’s the proof that Allah had TWO RIGHT HANDS ONLY ? as Non-Wahhaby what’s the proof that Allah Doesn’t have right hands but just figurative ?
–What’s the proof that Allah is closer than our jugular vein at our neck ? What’s the proof of the Knowledge of Allah that supposedly close to us muslims ?
–For Shia what’s the proof that Quran is CREATED ? For Non-Wahhaby Sunnis what’s the proof that Quran has TWO ESSENCE ? and the list goes on….
Don’t need to answer , those list are meant to be a reflection of yourself .
And again it will make us come back to the important questions now
Even if somehow you would end up in heaven and would live for 1 MILLION YEARS but what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t turn you in to another Eblees in the future ? His WORD ? Don’t you know Allah is notoriously known for ABROGATING HIS OWN ORDINANCE ? Is Allah really God or actually Allah is SATAN that deceiving you ?
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Please Read this again carefully, THIS MIGHT HAVE IMPACT ON WHERE YOU WOULD SPEND IN ETERNITY :
Here’s a good example why Muslims so hesitant to trust Allah entirely to be their WALEE :
Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.
Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’
What’s more idiot and twisted than that ?
He Had to sacrifice His Most Staunch Faithful Follower of Tawheed ( The Eblees), not to mention many Adam’s descendants go to hell because of SHIRK because Eblees refusal to commit Shirk. This is just self abrogating logic
There’s no logical and moral lesson that muslims can learn from Allah’s IDIOCITY In fact there are only PAINFUL LESSONS :
1. How pious and righteous you’ve been in your Iba’ad’a of Tawheed sadly like Ebless there’s no guarantee your Tawheed will save you even if you had been making and storing your good deeds for 50,000 years. NO GUARANTEE from your Tawheed that you can be safe from the merciless authoritarian dictatorship of Allah when Allah wanna have you in eternal torment of hell.
2. Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.
3. It’s self deceiving to look at Allah as WALEE , just look at Eblees who in his Tawheed regarded Allah as his ONLY WALEE , look at what Eblees got .
4. It finally will get any reasonable human being into two options to believe , either :
(a) Allah is a true God but certainly IDIOT and MERCILESS DESPICABLE entity.
(b) Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF who deceives humankind by presenting the most TWISTED form of God’s mercy and justice for ordering Allah’s most faithful folower to commit the most hideous sin in Islam but when the faithful follower refuse to do it then Allah condemned him FOREVER in unending torment ].
With the case of Eblees :
A) How do you know that all of your PIOUS Tawheed Ib’ada’a will not go waste when Allah in His TWISTED IDIOT mind decide to to go to hell ?,you even haven’t lived 100 years
B) How can Allah be justified as WALEE for intentionally order Allah’s most staunch follower of Tawheed to commit Shirk while when Eblees refused then suddenly Ebleees WITHOUT ANY EXCUSE be damnable FOREVER ?
C) Why won’t you carefully consider your life here ? With having a CHILDISH Allah who plays you MERCILESSLY like a HELPLESS TOY why are you willing so idiotically to trust such DESPICABLE entity ? You should SERIOUSLY consider that you are being misguided by Allah THE SATAN.
You are full of misguided people even according your own islamic standard , because Satanic Verses are CONFIRMED by your own RESPECTED Islamic scholars Imam al-Jalalyn in his TAFSEER , At-Tabari ,Ibn Ishaq etc, abut how Muhammad admits he receive the verses FROM SATAN. But since you deny that it means for you they are lying . However according to a Sahih Hadith
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229
This means many of your scholars are HELL-DWELLERS , but the funny and ironic thing is you STILL USE their materials as reference eg. Tafseer al-Jalalayn. Logically speaking the conclusion
Muslims are bunch of MISGUIDED People MISGUIDING THEMSELVES EACH OTHER unto HELL.
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I know you’re just the same person @grace / @anonymous whoever pity soul you are , again please ponder carefully on your own twisted religion Eblees one of Allah most devout follower of Tawheed was easily condemned WITHOUT ANY REMISSION , imagine his thousand of years of good deeds as PIOUS TAWHEED Follower were just vaporizing easily , and you even haven’t reached 100 yrs of age.
Even if somehow you would end up in heaven and would live for 1 MILLION YEARS but what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t turn you in to another Eblees in the future ? His WORD ? Don’t you know Allah is notoriously known for ABROGATING HIS OWN ORDINANCE ? Is Allah really God or Allah is actually Satan himself who’s deceiving you ?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: It’s ONLY by GRACE that you can experience the revelation of Christ ,”
First it is Spirit, now Grace. What next? Guessing game?
My name is Grace, my email [email protected], is that what you mean?
Your shameful inability to prove a tangible universal sign of the Spirit “in yourself” shows how worse your religion is messy and screwed up.
“[ This is a matter of magical hocus pocus of mythology.blah..blah…blah ]hahahahaha, Enlightenment is always personal and spiritual . You’re talking like an atheist by the way which shows your mindset how you personally HAVE INNER DOUBT on your own religion : — AM I REALLY GETTING HIDAYA ? What’s The Proof for me ?”
Hidaya is not a God, nor a person of God.
We have real “written” Hadith and real “practical” Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad and other Prophets in accordance to Quran and Sunnah to follow as the “real” standard. That’s real, not a guessing game.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.”
Allah doesn’t mislead any believer after they get truth. Do not miss to read one important Qur’anic verse Q.9, v.115, therein Allah guarantees all humans that He will never let the people go astray *after* He guided them.
What does it mean? It means Allah never misguides anyone. The amount of the people whom Allah misguides is zero.
Arguing with a lousy accusation that Allah misleads the believers.
Quran 9:115. And Allah would not let the people stray after He has guided them until He makes clear to them what they should avoid. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of all things.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Even if somehow you would end up in heaven and would live for 1 MILLION YEARS but what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t turn you in to another Eblees in the future ? His WORD ? Don’t you know Allah is notoriously known for ABROGATING HIS OWN ORDINANCE ? Is Allah really God or Allah is actually Satan himself who’s deceiving you ?”
You don’t know the basic things of Islam. You don’t know Islam 1o1. Allah in Quran ensures that once the people of Heaven live in Heaven, they stay in Heaven. Whatever happens in Heaven stays in Heaven:
Quran 15:45. Verily, the righteous will be within gardens and springs.
Quran 15:46. Enter it in peace safe.
Quran 15:47. And We will remove whatever is in their breasts of resentment, being brothers, on thrones facing each other.
Quran 15:48. No fatigue will touch them therein, nor from it will they ever be removed.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.”
This topic ought to be explained in its own separate posting.
Previously, actually Allah had not ruled out a possibility to let such a re-entering of Iblis back into Heaven, he was just expelled for his sinful refusal to prostrate altogether with angels behind a prostrating Imam (Adam).
But, once after Iblis claimed himself a new god for the demons and Satanists, he commits an unforgivable sin.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: As Wahhaby where’s the proof that Allah had TWO RIGHT HANDS ONLY ? as Non-Wahhaby what’s the proof that Allah Doesn’t have right hands but just figurative ?”
This literal topic deserves its own posting as well:
Allah doesn’t have flesh and skin whatsoever. So the meaning of the literal hand(s) and other fleshly physical organs can’t apply for Allah.
What’s “hand”? What we humans know of “hand” must consist of bones, muscles, flesh, skin, fingers. If there’s a hand without bones, flesh, skin, and fingers, we don’t any longer call it hand, but just “end of forearm”.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: –What’s the proof that Allah is closer than our jugular vein at our neck ? What’s the proof of the Knowledge of Allah that supposedly close to us muslims ?”
It means that one’s jugular vein and other internal organs don’t easily twist around as random as it wants. Allah controls the internal organs, even DNA.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: – For Shia what’s the proof that Quran is CREATED ? For Non-Wahhaby Sunnis what’s the proof that Quran has TWO ESSENCE ? and the list goes on….”
(i) Everything will vanish away except the only existence of Allah. Is it hard for you to grasp?
Quran is not Allah’s existence.
(ii) Quran will become a talking “pale man” to reduce the pains of Muslims in Afterlife.
(iii) Quran is contained in Lauh Mahfuz (cosmic record) along with the original Bible.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: You are full of misguided people even according your own islamic standard , because Satanic Verses are CONFIRMED by your own RESPECTED Islamic scholars Imam al-Jalalyn in his TAFSEER , At-Tabari ,Ibn Ishaq etc, abut how Muhammad admits he receive the verses FROM SATAN. But since you deny that it means for you they are lying .”
The so-called “Satanic verses” indeed have *many versions* of verse in non-Arabic wording, because Satan is too stupid to invent just a jot of *One fixed* verse.
There are at least 5 (Five) differing versions for that alleged insertion, and nobody can certain which one it is.
Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, Page 105-108
The first evidence which imputes suspicion to the story is the fact that it has been reported in many forms and versions. First there is the report that the fabricated verses consist of the following words: “Tilka al gharaniq al `ula wa inna shafa`atahu-nna laturtaja.”
Others reported them as consisting of, “al gharaniqah al `ula inna shafa atahum turtaja.”
Still others reported that they consist of the following words, “Inna shafa`atahunna turtaja” without mentioning the word “al gharaniq” or “al gharaniqah” at all.
According to a fourth version, they were supposed to consist of the words: “Innaha lahiya al gharaniq al ula..”
A fifth version reads, “Wa innahunna lahunna al gharaniq al ula wa inna shafa’atahunna lahiya allati, turtaja.” The collections of Hadith have given us still more varied versions.
The multiplicity of the versions proves that the report itself is fabricated, that it had been fabricated by the zindiqs – as ibn Ishaq had said earlier, and that the forgers had sought thereby to spread doubt into the message of Muhammad and to attack his candidness in conveying the message of his Lord.
Muhammad `Abduh: It consists of the fact that the Arabs have nowhere described their gods in such terms as “al gharaniq.” Neither in their poetry nor in their speeches or traditions do we find their gods or goddesses described in such terms.
Rather, the word “al ghurnuq” or “al gharniq” was the name of a black or white water bird, sometimes given figuratively to the handsome blond youth. The fact is indubitable that the Arabs never looked upon their gods in this silly manner.
“Anonymous says: Angels are bound by covenant:
2Pet 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
So, “Covenant” is a set for the life and death: a reward for choosing the faith and a punishment for choosing the sins. Therefore, the faithful angels choose to not commit sins, thus they are called “holy angels”, whereas Lucifer and demons choose to commit sins, thus they’re called “sinful angels”.
…The issue here is: Angels are called “Sons” of God. They have a preexistence along with the Morning Stars.
…When did God create angels if they already shouted and sang “before” the world began in the 1st Day? Jesus and the Bible are silent on when exactly the day the angels were created, because they don’t know.”
Fascinating. Many people had never thought and realized this before.
Yeah, the Bible never mentions on which “day” exactly is those angels were created by God, yet they existed “before” the 1st Day, standing with shouting and singing.
The angels are called “sons of God”.
The angels have covenant (a set of choices for life and punishment), thus there are holy angels who see God’s face in Heaven and hear His voices, and there are the fallen angels who choose the sins.
Their archangelic voices will resurrect the dead ones as well.
Angels never died, can create the wonders, can be named with God’s name.
Seraphim rank of the angels cleansed the sins of Isaiah and Zechariah.
Seraphim and Gabriel stood and fly at the presence of God.
Gabriel appeared as a human to Lot, Daniel and Mary, even Jacob wrestled with one angel in a form of man.
So, yes, the NT Bible really heavily borrowed (or stolen) the core of Old Testament’s ideas of Angelic sonship for Jesus.
[ Yeah, the Bible never mentions on which “day” exactly is those angels were created by God, yet they existed “before” the 1st Day] It’s quite affirmative the FIRST DAY is DIFFERENCE from — AT THE BEGINNING God create the heavens and earth (Gen 1:1). Lord Jesus as al-Awl & al-Akhr is AT THE BEGINNING and not just at The First Day. Notice, The SPIRIT of God was hovering over the water this means water HAD ALREADY BEEN CREATED EARLIER along with TIME , ANGELS etc. The creation of TIME is different from the creation AT the First DAY.
Lord Jesus is the al-Awl & al-Akhr ( Asmaul Husna) which means He is BEYOND TIME , while angels are WITHIN TIME , to count the First Day as beginning of the creation of time is just intellectually deficient, time begun when Second and SEQUENCE begun , notice how the angels sang proofs they are living within SEQUENCE OF TIME. Only God who can live BOTH in Sequence of Time and BEYOND the Sequence of time. If any muslim wanna argue that time is eternal with Allah then most likely that muslim is a heretic one, as far as i know from browsing several islamic websites Muslims mostly agree with Christians that TIME IS CREATED and God lives BEYOND THE SEQUENCE OF TIME .
[ First it is Spirit, now Grace. What next? Guessing game? ] hahahahaha… please don’t be so hard on yourself it won’t do no good for your brain’s health GRACE is just simply the manifestation of the Holy Spirit
[ (ii) Quran will become a talking “pale man” to reduce the pains of Muslims in Afterlife.
(iii) Quran is contained in Lauh Mahfuz (cosmic record) along with the original Bible ] And as you said it yourself it’s all HOCUS POCUS MYTHOLOGY right ? I’m just using your own argument so what’s wrong with you ?
[ Hidaya is not a God,] Silly girl ! I’m not talking about God but any HOCUS POCUS you accuse of about christians , what’s the proof that you’re having HIDAYA ? and not the Wahhaby who believe that Allah HAS TWO RIGHT HANDS only ? What’s the DEFINITE PROOF so it won’t be considered HOCUS POCUS ? I’m just using your own argument so what’s wrong with you , r u ok ?
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[ You don’t know the basic things of Islam. You don’t know Islam 1o1] You don’t know Allah , the fact is he is SATAN that deceives you.
[ Allah in Quran ensures ] What can A HABITUAL ABROGATOR ensure anyway ?
[that once the people of Heaven live in Heaven, they stay in Heaven ] Are you hallucinating ? So islamic Adam and Eve was just dreaming when they were banished from heaven to earth ?
[ Whatever happens in Heaven stays in Heaven] like ‘Whatever happened in Vegas stays in Vegas’ ? hahahahaha…. so what’s now ? Allah The CLOWN of Vegas as His 100th name ? but you’re surely gambling with your life when you trust Allah the Lying CLOWN
But seriously WHATEVER HAPPENED to Eblees thousand years Tawheed deeds in HEAVEN then ? Remember What Happened in Heaven Stays in Heaven !
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Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
[ This topic ought to be explained in its own separate posting] Nope, this topic is exactly suitable with the theme of God as Father or using your heretical term WALEE this proof even if Allah is a WALEE he is surely a despicable one.
[ Allah had not ruled out a possibility to let such a re-entering of Iblis back into Heaven ] Silly girl , Eblees HAD NO CHANCE to asing repentance because even BEFORE Eblees could say anything , Eblees had already been CURSED til THE DAY OF RECOMPENSE
S15: 33-35 ; He said, “Never would I prostrate to a human whom You created out of clay from an altered black mud.” Allah said, “Then get out of it, for indeed, you are expelled. And indeed, UPON YOU IS THE CURSE TIL THE DAY OF RECOMPENSE .”
-Allah was so IDIOTICALLY and MERCILESSLY CURSED Eblees just because Eblees DIDN’T WANNA VIOLATE TAWHEED
– – CURSED means whatever Eblees would do and think has been cursed after Allah had spoken it , this also means there would be NO GOOD BUT CURSED DEEDS ONLY that could be counted at Day of Recompense. This is all because Eblees just wanna practice Tawheed and didn’t wanna commit SHIRK.
Allah is DISGUSTING , he is SATAN who wanna deviate the true character of True Merciful God.
[ But, once after Iblis claimed himself a new god for the demons and Satanists ] You’re completely aware that you’re lying right ? NO VERSES about Ebleees wanna be god.
In fact EBLEES is as same as you a staunch Tawheed practitioner, What’s the assurance that Allah won’t turn you to be another Eblees in the future ?
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Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.”
[Allah doesn’t mislead any believer after they get truth ] Incorrect ! Eblees HAD ALREADY BEEN a staunch tawheed BELIEVER and KNOWN the Truth for thousand years BEFORE Allah MISGUIDED him , you are fully aware that you’re just making this up stop lying please?
[Do not miss to read one important Qur’anic verse Q.9, v.115, therein Allah guarantees all humans that He will never let the people go astray *after* He guided them. ] are you kidding ? Allah is a SELF ABROGATING lunatic .What’s your assurance that Allah would not ABROGATE this statute in the future?
Do you really think if you in some fairy tale story then after reaching heaven Allah would just be A MUTED DUMB God saying nothing eternally ? What’s your assurance that Allah in the future wouldn’t make new statute and turn you into ANOTHER Eblees as Allah wanted to create another being in the future which would have more high status than human ?
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[ He will never let the people go astray *after* He guided them.] AFTER ? Are you mentally distorted ?
Allah also said (S39.3 )Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever , but Eblees was a staunch Tawheed believer AFTER BEING GUIDED BY ALLAH for 50 thousand yrs at minimum , Allah should abrogate that verse with : Allah misguides because Allah is an unbelievable LIAR .
Moreover when being read in ENTIRE CONTEXT S39:2 , Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors besides Him [say], “We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position.” Indeed, Allah will judge between them concerning that over which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide he who is a liar and [confirmed] disbeliever.
The verse in contrary to your MISGUIDED interpretation , does confirm that Allah is A LIAR ! because this verse is Allah’s statement that he will not guide those who violate Tawheed and take WALEE besides him but we all know Eblees who refused to violate tawheed but eventually be cursed forever by Allah for it .
[ Allah never misguides anyone.] Seriously ? are you sure you don’t need a psychiatrist ?
I recommend you to read this again carefully, THIS MIGHT HAVE IMPACT ON WHERE YOU WOULD SPEND IN ETERNITY :
Here’s a good example why Muslims so hesitant to trust Allah entirely to be their WALEE :
Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.
Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’
What’s more idiot and twisted than that ?
He Had to sacrifice His Most Staunch Faithful Follower of Tawheed ( The Eblees), not to mention many Adam’s descendants go to hell because of SHIRK because Eblees refusal to commit Shirk. This is just self abrogating logic
There’s no logical and moral lesson that muslims can learn from Allah’s IDIOCITY In fact there are only PAINFUL LESSONS :
1. How pious and righteous you’ve been in your Iba’ad’a of Tawheed sadly like Ebless there’s no guarantee your Tawheed will save you even if you had been making and storing your good deeds for 50,000 years. NO GUARANTEE from your Tawheed that you can be safe from the merciless authoritarian dictatorship of Allah when Allah wanna have you in eternal torment of hell.
2. Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.
3. It’s self deceiving to look at Allah as WALEE , just look at Eblees who in his Tawheed regarded Allah as his ONLY WALEE , look at what Eblees got .
4. It finally will get any reasonable human being into two options to believe , either :
(a) Allah is a true God but certainly IDIOT and MERCILESS DESPICABLE entity.
(b) Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF who deceives humankind by presenting the most TWISTED form of God’s mercy and justice for ordering Allah’s most faithful folower to commit the most hideous sin in Islam but when the faithful follower refuse to do it then Allah condemned him FOREVER in unending torment ].
With the case of Eblees :
A) How do you know that all of your PIOUS Tawheed Ib’ada’a will not go waste when Allah in His TWISTED IDIOT mind decide to to go to hell ?,you even haven’t lived 100 years
B) How can Allah be justified as WALEE for intentionally order Allah’s most staunch follower of Tawheed to commit Shirk while when Eblees refused then suddenly Ebleees WITHOUT ANY EXCUSE be damnable FOREVER ?
C) Why won’t you carefully consider your life here ? With having a CHILDISH Allah who plays you MERCILESSLY like a HELPLESS TOY why are you willing so idiotically to trust such DESPICABLE entity ? You should SERIOUSLY consider that you are being misguided by Allah THE SATAN.
Please ponder carefully on your own twisted religion Eblees one of Allah most devout follower of Tawheed was easily condemned WITHOUT ANY REMISSION , imagine his thousand of years of good deeds as PIOUS TAWHEED Follower were just vaporizing easily , and you even haven’t reached 100 yrs of age.
Even if somehow you would end up in heaven and would live for 1 MILLION YEARS but what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t turn you in to another Eblees in the future ? His WORD ? Don’t you know Allah is notoriously known for ABROGATING HIS OWN ORDINANCE ?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: notice how the angels sang proofs they are living within SEQUENCE OF TIME.”
Your time’s definition just sacrifices a sure footing of the Trinitarian version of the Holy Spirit, why? Because by if the angelic singing = living in time, then hovering upon water = living in time as well.
Thus, your definition of time just nicely obliterate the divinity of Holy Spirit is not God. You can’t invent the Trinity if you lost the Spirit. Or otherwise, the preexistent angels must be gods alongside the Spirit for your polytheistic theology.
“please don’t be so hard on yourself it won’t do no good for your brain’s health GRACE is just simply the manifestation of the Holy Spirit”
No, your definition of time just makes the Spirit lose his divinity. Hovering upon water = living in time.
Be consistent?
After all, you have not proven yet how the Spirit is in yourself.
“[ (ii) Quran will become a talking “pale man” to reduce the pains of Muslims in Afterlife. (iii) Quran is contained in Lauh Mahfuz (cosmic record) along with the original Bible ] And as you said it yourself it’s all HOCUS POCUS MYTHOLOGY right ? I’m just using your own argument so what’s wrong with you ?”
Silly, any magical Hocus pocus can’t reach the Heaven and Afterlife.
But, right now, you claim, there’s a Spirit “inside” your guts right here, right now, as a third part of your god, don’t you? What’s the proof for him?
Do you hear his voice? No.
Do you see his body? No.
Do you know his name? No.
“what’s the proof that you’re having HIDAYA ?”
By our own choice to repent from committing sins, in many various sins.
We don’t claim to have one mysterious living creature of Hidaya in our guts.
“[ You don’t know the basic things of Islam. You don’t know Islam 1o1] You don’t know Allah , the fact is he is SATAN that deceives you.”
I have proven to you so easiy that according to Jesus in Jn 8:44 Satan the deceiver has fathered the Jews, including Jesus and Mary. But Allah fathered nobody. So Satan can’t be Allah.
You can’t refute this.
“[ Allah in Quran ensures ] What can A HABITUAL ABROGATOR ensure anyway ?”
In Eden certainly Adam, Iblis and angels have not yet known the meaning of Monotheism, Faith, religion, forgiveness (Iman, Tawhid), the definition of sin, Haram, Halal, idolatry (Shirk), also they don’t know yet the original Bible and Quran, especially Quran 15:48.
So, it is impossible for the Scriptural abrogations to occur in Eden.
“[that once the people of Heaven live in Heaven, they stay in Heaven ] Are you hallucinating ? So islamic Adam and Eve was just dreaming when they were banished from heaven to earth ?”
Stupid argument.
I repeat: In Eden certainly Adam, Iblis and angels don’t know yet the original Bible and Quran, especially Quran 15:48 that fully guarantees the permanent living of the believers in Heaven.
So, it is impossible for the Scriptural abrogations to occur in Eden.
They have not yet known the meaning of Monotheism, Faith, religion, forgiveness (Iman, Tawhid), the definition of sin, Haram, Halal, idolatry (Shirk).
[ Whatever happens in Heaven stays in Heaven] But seriously WHATEVER HAPPENED to Eblees thousand years Tawheed deeds in HEAVEN then ? Remember What Happened in Heaven Stays in Heaven !
I repeat again:
In Eden, Iblis and angels have not yet known the meaning of Monotheism, also they don’t know yet the original Bible and Quran, especially Quran 15:48 that fully guarantees the permanent habitation of the believers in Heaven.
“[ Allah had not ruled out a possibility to let such a re-entering of Iblis back into Heaven ] Silly girl , Eblees HAD NO CHANCE to asing repentance because even BEFORE Eblees could say anything , Eblees had already been CURSED til THE DAY OF RECOMPENSE. S15: 33-35 ; He said, “Never would I prostrate to a human whom You created out of clay from an altered black mud.” Allah said, “Then get out of it, for indeed, you are expelled. And indeed, UPON YOU IS THE CURSE TIL THE DAY OF RECOMPENSE .”.”
Silly, you are really deceived by your devils? In Islam we all know better how the curse on Iblis had been postponed due to Iblis’ merit of prayer. Iblis didn’t quickly get any curse, nor did he go to Hell.
This fact of postponement showed how Allah is the most just God, He does not vanish away the merits of a sinner’s rites and prayer.
Quran 15:36. He (Iblis) said: O my Lord, please respite me till Day of resurrection.
“-Allah was so IDIOTICALLY and MERCILESSLY CURSED Eblees just because Eblees DIDN’T WANNA VIOLATE TAWHEED”
Iblis doesn’t know what Faith is.
Iblis has not yet known the meaning of sin, Haram, Halal, idolatry (Shirk), also he doesn’t know yet the original Bible and Quran, especially Quran 15:48 that fully guarantees the permanent abode of the believers in Heaven.
“– CURSED means whatever Eblees would do and think has been cursed after Allah had spoken it , this also means there would be NO GOOD BUT CURSED DEEDS ONLY that could be counted at Day of Recompense. This is all because Eblees just wanna practice Tawheed and didn’t wanna commit SHIRK.”
Allah reveals to angels and Iblis that there will be the Day of Final Judgment, so immediately Iblis knows that there will be two preceding days (world’s End and Day of Resurrection) before the final. Iblis doesn’t know yet the original Bible and Quran, especially Quran 15:48 that fully guarantees the permanent staying of the believers in Heaven.
“Allah is DISGUSTING , he is SATAN who wanna deviate the true character of True Merciful God.”
Gospel says in Jn 8:44 Satan fathered your Jesus, Mary and other Jews.
Satan also teaches idolatry for the pagans and demons to believe in the Son of God.
“[ But, once after Iblis claimed himself a new god for the demons and Satanists ] You’re completely aware that you’re lying right ? NO VERSES about Ebleees wanna be god.”
Iblis sets up the Satanism in which Iblis is worshipped by pagans as their god:
Quran 4:117. They pray to beside Him but false god, and they pray to none but a rebellious Satan.
Quran 4:118. Whom Allah has cursed. For he had said, I will surely take from among Your servants a specific portion.
Quran 7:30. A group He guided, and a group let in error. Indeed, they had taken the devils as Patrons instead of Allah while they thought that they were guided.
Quran 36:60. Did I not admonish you, O children of Adam, that you have to not worship Satan – indeed, he is to you a clear enemy.
“In fact EBLEES is as same as you a staunch Tawheed practitioner, What’s the assurance that Allah won’t turn you to be another Eblees in the future ?”
In Eden certainly Adam, Iblis and angels have not yet known the meaning of Monotheism, Faith, religion, forgiveness (Iman, Tawhid), the definition of sin, Haram, Halal, idolatry (Shirk), also they don’t know yet the original Bible and Quran, especially Quran 15:48 that fully guarantees the permanent staying of the believers in Heaven.
So, it is impossible for the Scriptural abrogations to occur in Eden.
How worse and desperate it is for the lousy Trinitarians to prove the existence of third person “Spirit” inside of their own guts, somewhere down there?
The point is, no one of the Trinitarians can prove that there’s such a nameless living mysterious third person “as Spirit” inside of their physical guts. They don’t know his name, they don’t see his body, not hear his voice, and so on.
What’s funny is, a subjective claim that someone has a Spirit is as stupid as the differing claim that someone does not have a spirit.
Why? Both claims can’t be equally proven.
They ludicrously claim how a concept of “Hidaya” in Islam is also a proof of third person. That’s silly.
If so, why don’t the people who get Hidaya also believe in a divinity of Spirit or the Triune God?
How about the idea of “enlightenment” in other religions? Is it also a proof of third person?
That’s silly.
If so, why don’t the people who get enlightenment also believe in a divinity of Spirit or the Triune God?
Name of Holy Spiirt is Gabriel.
The Holy Spirit being Gabriel can be deduced so easily from the Bible alone, without needing other sources.
Here is the most simplest syllogism showing how Gabriel is the Holy Spirit:
(i) Gabriel is “an Angel” of the Lord (Lk 1:11).
Lk 1:11
And there appeared unto him an Angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
(ii) “An Angel” of the Lord disavows the Jews who rebelled, vexed and disobeyed him.
Judg 2
1 And an Angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. 2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? 3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
(iii) The Holy Spirit disavows the Jews.
Isa 63:10
But they rebelled, and vexed his Holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
(iv) So as the conclusion, Gabriel as “an Angel” of the Lord is actually the Holy Spirit.
Other evidence that Gabriel is the name of Holy Spirit:
(i) Angels are flaming minister. Seven Spirits are lamps of fire.
(ii) Only Gabriel an angel can afford to stay at the presence of God, just as seven spirits.
None angel other than Gabriel can afford to stand at the “presence” of God, just as the Holy Spirit in the form of seven lamps of fire before the throne:
Rev 4:5
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Lk 1:19
And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
@Anonymous a.k.a grace you said [ Name of Holy Spiirt is Gabriel. ] Thank you for exposing that you’re a PHONY !
NO UNITARIAN ever claim Holy Spirit is Gabriel .
[ Thus, your definition of time just nicely obliterate the divinity of Holy Spirit is not God ] Nope ! are you on meth when you’re reading ? I’ve stated clearly that ONLY God who can EXIST in BOTH BEYOND TIME and WITHIN TIME .
Even your fairy tale god Allah acts in SEQUENCE OF TIME
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And speaking about this Jesus as Angel non sense theory of yours , Are you literally wanna renounce Islam and admit that you’re practically SMARTER than Allah and Allah is just some fairy tale CLOWN made up for Muhammad’s purposes ?
Quran is supposedly meant to correct the error of the previous ‘People of the Book’ , NO VERSES in Quran ever mentioned about Jews and Christians for worshiping angels as son of God yet Quran claims itself as a CLEAR GUIDANCE , Quran never ever mentions Uzair nor Jesus as angels at all.
Everyone with undisturbed mind can easily read that it’s BY ONLY Lord Jesus’s command the dead are raised while the voice of archangel and trumpet are ceremonial sign signalling the End of Day has occurred.
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[ But, right now, you claim, there’s a Spirit “inside” your guts right here, right now, as a third part of your god, don’t you? What’s the proof for him? ] .Eeman /Faith of course is ‘personal’
You’ve claimed yourself about Holy Spirit as some mythological hocus pocus since for you personally it gives no definite proof, but then your standard consequently should be applied to Islam as well :
– No definite proof about how the Knowledge of Allah is as close as human’s jugular vein or even closer.
-No definite proof whether Quran does have two nature as both Uncreated and Created.
-No definite proof that anybody should worship an entity who’s only having TWO RIGHT HANDS and on the other hand there’s also no definite proof to say Allah DOESN’T HAVE HANDS AT ALL.
-No definite proof whether you’re getting HIDAYA or not , no definite proof that you’re part of the one particular sect which having the rightly path from those 72 sects
-No definite proof when the Pakistani Hanafis crying Yaaa..Ali, Ya..Ali then Imam Ali hears them in the barzakh/after life and so as well as to many Non-Wahaby Sunnis who are performing Tawassul crying to those deceased islamic saints.
I think your mindset exposes the hidden INNER DISBELIEF within your heart , RIGHT ? outwardly you’re claiming to acknowledge Allah but factually inwardly you’re simply A MUNAFFEEQ with atheistic heretical mindset and you think if Islam would’ve somehow been true then you surely would enter heaven ? hahahahaha….
[In Eden certainly Adam, Iblis and angels have not yet known the meaning of Monotheism, Faith, religion…blah..blah SHIRK ] hahahahaha..just listen to your ‘whining’ , do you know that in fact it appears you’re primary concern IS NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE ME but RATHER TRYING TO CONVINCE YOURSELF hoping with wishy washy hope that you won’t end up like Eblees if EVER this fairy tale CLOWN called Allah had been truly exist.
We both know The primary reason for not bowing to Adam is , Eblees didn’t want to commit SHIRK since he’s a Staunch Tawheed Follower LIKE YOU
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[ [ But, once after Iblis claimed himself a new god for the demons and Satanists ] You’re completely aware that you’re lying right ? NO VERSES about Ebleees wanna be god AS THE REASON FOR HIM BEING CURSED..
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[ So, it is impossible for the Scriptural abrogations to occur in Eden] Again it’s you trying TO CONVINCE YOURSELF , So do you mean Allah will stay DUMB AND MUTE then ? There’s NO GUARANTEE that if ever this fairy tale Allah the CLOWN had been true then you would spend happily forever because Allah still has the chance to turn you to another Eblees and Allah create a new race/species and th whole vicious cycle is repeated again.
There are so many possibilities in the future either on earth or heaven that Allah will finally send you into eternal torment considering Allah is a HABITUAL ABROGATOR
Whatever you lame excuse the FACT STANDS , Eblees who didn’t want to bow to NONE BUT ALLAH had been CURSED , AFTER BEING GUIDED BY ALLAH FOR THOUSAND YEARS with all of his THOUSAND YEARS GOOD DEEDS JUST VAPORIZING !
Just SEE AT YOURSELF ! What’s the guarantee that you’re not under MISGUIDANCE ?
-You have a heretical mindset sort of resembling atheist to be exact
-You dare to speak blasphemous lies about Jibreel the Rasooloolah and Maryam the Mother of Islamic Jesus just for the sake of winning an argument
-Previously you lied about the story of Adam and Eblees , you said Eblees in fact was just prostrating BEHIND Adam. This would be ok if you didn’t know and was in ignorance but the fact is YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPEN , right ? You are DENYING and TELLING LIES about VERSES OF ALLAH
And those who disbelieve and deny Our VERSES – those will be companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally (S2.39)
– YOU STILL LIVE ON EARTH ! imagine even Eblees with his THOUSAND YEARS PIETY COULDN’T SAVE HIMSELF FROM ALLAH’S MISGUIDANCE and CURSE , and you with you heretical atheistic mindset, blasphemous attitude toward saints of Allah along with your telling lies concerning Allah’s VERSES , and still idiotically hope you would enter Jannah ? hahahahaha..You’re surely MISGUIDED !
Since you’re not under pressure or under the power of enemy , There’s no necessity to lie but you’re SO ASHAMED OF RELIGION OF ISLAM THAT YOU HAVE TO PRETEND TO BE A UNITARIAN CHRISTIANS, If you yourself feel ashamed of the religion of Allah IN FRONT OF US CHRISTIANS , then what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t also feel ashamed of you for being his servant ?
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I recommend you to ponder this article again ; THIS MIGHT HAVE IMPACT ON WHERE YOU WOULD SPEND IN ETERNITY :
Here’s a good example why Muslims so hesitant to trust Allah entirely to be their WALEE :
Allah was ordering Eblees to commit Shirk by bowing to fellow creation i.e Adam , and had punished Eblees FOREVER just because Eblees didn’t want to commit Shirk. This event speaks volume about the (TWISTED) Mercy of Allah and Uncertainty of Tawheed.
Many Islamc literatures opine Eblees had been a pious staunch faithful follower of Tawheed for around 20,000 to 50,000 years BEFORE Adam’s creation , just imagine how many good deeds he had stored before his condemnation.
Hence, Allah was not only MERCILESS but SO IDIOT because for the sake of wanting to teach Eblees not to be proudful , Allah ordered Eblees to commit SHIRK the most ultimate sin in Islam.
Eblees had been condemned forever by Allah just because he wanna practice the purity of ‘Laillah ha Illallah’
What’s more idiot and twisted than that ?
He Had to sacrifice His Most Staunch Faithful Follower of Tawheed ( The Eblees), not to mention many Adam’s descendants go to hell because of SHIRK because Eblees refusal to commit Shirk. This is just self abrogating logic
There’s no logical and moral lesson that muslims can learn from Allah’s IDIOCITY In fact there are only PAINFUL LESSONS :
1. How pious and righteous you’ve been in your Iba’ad’a of Tawheed sadly like Ebless there’s no guarantee your Tawheed will save you even if you had been making and storing your good deeds for 50,000 years. NO GUARANTEE from your Tawheed that you can be safe from the merciless authoritarian dictatorship of Allah when Allah wanna have you in eternal torment of hell.
2. Creations are just HELPLESS TOYS for Allah in His childish way He plays us around doesn’t really matter how faithful and pious we are if Allah is in bad mood or going PSYCHO then we will be forever lost in hell.
3. It’s self deceiving to look at Allah as WALEE , just look at Eblees who in his Tawheed regarded Allah as his ONLY WALEE , look at what Eblees got .
4. It finally will get any reasonable human being into two options to believe , either :
(a) Allah is a true God but certainly IDIOT and MERCILESS DESPICABLE entity.
(b) Allah is actually SATAN ITSELF who deceives humankind by presenting the most TWISTED form of God’s mercy and justice for ordering Allah’s most faithful folower to commit the most hideous sin in Islam but when the faithful follower refuse to do it then Allah condemned him FOREVER in unending torment ].
With the case of Eblees :
A) How do you know that all of your PIOUS Tawheed Ib’ada’a will not go waste when Allah in His TWISTED IDIOT mind decide to to go to hell ?,you even haven’t lived 100 years
B) How can Allah be justified as WALEE for intentionally order Allah’s most staunch follower of Tawheed to commit Shirk while when Eblees refused then suddenly Ebleees WITHOUT ANY EXCUSE be damnable FOREVER ?
C) Why won’t you carefully consider your life here ? With having a CHILDISH Allah who plays you MERCILESSLY like a HELPLESS TOY why are you willing so idiotically to trust such DESPICABLE entity ? You should SERIOUSLY consider that you are being misguided by Allah THE SATAN.
Please ponder carefully on your own twisted religion Eblees one of Allah most devout follower of Tawheed was easily condemned WITHOUT ANY REMISSION , imagine his thousand of years of good deeds as PIOUS TAWHEED Follower were just vaporizing easily , and you even haven’t reached 100 yrs of age.
Even if somehow you would end up in heaven and would live for 1 MILLION YEARS but what’s the guarantee that Allah won’t turn you in to another Eblees in the future ? His WORD ? Don’t you know Allah is notoriously known for ABROGATING HIS OWN ORDINANCE ?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: I’ve stated clearly that ONLY God who can EXIST in BOTH BEYOND TIME and WITHIN TIME .”
There’s no Biblical verse showing the Spirit existed beyond time, whereas Gen 1:2 showed how the Spirit was *within time* by hovering over water, thus Spirit is not god.
Without the divine Spirit you can’t be a Trinitarian forever.
“Quran never ever mentions Uzair nor Jesus as angels at all.”
Jesus is listed among special group of Heavenly angels in Quran 4:172.
Jesus is the *spirit* from Allah (Ruh Minhu) according to Quran 4:171.
“Everyone with undisturbed mind can easily read that it’s BY ONLY Lord Jesus’s command the dead are raised while the voice of archangel and trumpet are ceremonial sign signalling the End of Day has occurred.”
In Jn 5:25 Jesus mentions the use of a voice of “Son of Gd” (archangels are sons of God) to resurrect the dead ones, not for signalling the time whatsoever. Moreover, both the OT Bible and Gospels never mention the use of a voice of archangel just to signal the End of Time.
Therefore, 1Thes 4:16 is unique, the voice of archangel *resurrects* the dead.
Jn 5:25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
“[ But, right now, you claim, there’s a Spirit “inside” your guts right here, right now, as a third part of your god, don’t you? What’s the proof for him? ] .Eeman /Faith of course is ‘personal’”
Any atheist who has no faith also claims it as his personal choice.
Pagan who has a false belief also claims it as his personal choice.
“– No definite proof about how the Knowledge of Allah is as close as human’s jugular vein or even closer.”
Indeed, that’s why we don’t claim to have any other Spirit inside of our jugular vein.
“-No definite proof whether Quran does have two nature as both Uncreated and Created.”
Indeed, that’s why we don’t claim to have indestructible Quran (as every thing will vanish except the sole existence of Allah).
“-No definite proof that anybody should worship an entity who’s only having TWO RIGHT HANDS and on the other hand there’s also no definite proof to say Allah DOESN’T HAVE HANDS AT ALL.”
Indeed, that’s why we don’t believe that Allah has a flesh, bones, and skins.
“-No definite proof whether you’re getting HIDAYA or not , no definite proof that you’re part of the one particular sect which having the rightly path from those 72 sects”
Indeed, that’s why we don’t count the minorities as Ahlu Sunnah wa Jamaah.
“-No definite proof when the Pakistani Hanafis crying Yaaa..Ali, Ya..Ali then Imam Ali hears them in the barzakh/after life and so as well as to many Non-Wahaby Sunnis who are performing Tawassul crying to those deceased islamic saints.”
Indeed, that’s why we don’t claim
“I think your mindset exposes the hidden INNER DISBELIEF within your heart , RIGHT ? outwardly you’re claiming to acknowledge Allah but factually inwardly you’re simply A MUNAFFEEQ with atheistic heretical mindset and you think if Islam would’ve somehow been true then you surely would enter heaven ?”
Only by Mercy of Allah is any Muslim able to enter Heaven. What’s sure for us is, our Islamic rites can protect us from the Hell.
“[In Eden certainly Adam, Iblis and angels have not yet known the meaning of Monotheism, Faith, religion…blah..blah SHIRK ] do you know that in fact it appears you’re primary concern IS NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE ME but RATHER TRYING TO CONVINCE YOURSELF hoping with wishy washy hope that you won’t end up like Eblees if EVER this fairy tale CLOWN called Allah had been truly exist.”
I just explain our Islamic belief on story of Adam, angels, and Iblis in Eden. They all had not known the sins, Shirk, Tawhid, Faith, Halal, Haram, and so on.
“Whatever you lame excuse the FACT STANDS , Eblees who didn’t want to bow to NONE BUT ALLAH had been CURSED , AFTER BEING GUIDED BY ALLAH FOR THOUSAND YEARS with all of his THOUSAND YEARS GOOD DEEDS JUST VAPORIZING !”
Merits of the previous rites of Iblis make him able to ask a respite till Day of resurrection. God had not immediately punished Iblis with Hell after his rebellion.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: [ Name of Holy Spiirt is Gabriel. ] Thank you for exposing that you’re a PHONY ! NO UNITARIAN ever claim Holy Spirit is Gabriel .”
Where do I claim that it is a unique belief of the Unitarians?
I just proved with a simple syllogism how the name of Holy Spirit is “Gabriel” as an angel of Lord, *according to the Bible*, not according to my fellow Unitarians.
I repeat my statement above:
The Holy Spirit being Gabriel can be deduced so easily from the Bible alone, without needing other sources.
Here is the most simplest syllogism showing how Gabriel is the Holy Spirit:
(i) Gabriel is “an Angel” of the Lord (Lk 1:11).
Lk 1:11
And there appeared unto him an Angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
(ii) “An Angel” of the Lord disavows the Jews who rebelled, vexed and disobeyed him.
Judg 2
1 And an Angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. 2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? 3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
(iii) The Holy Spirit disavows the Jews.
Isa 63:10
But they rebelled, and vexed his Holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
(iv) So as the conclusion, Gabriel as “an Angel” of the Lord is actually the Holy Spirit.
Jesus indirectly indicates that calling him “Lord, Lord” and using his names are two sins and iniquities that make the Trinitarians lose the Heaven forever:
(i) Denial:
Mt 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(ii) Lordship and names in vain.
Mt 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(iii) Jesus indicates that calling him “Lord, Lord” and using his names are two sins and iniquities:
Mt 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
We’re drawing this discussion to a close now because it has gone on long enough. Thank you for your participation. We will be offering rebuttals to some of the Muslim objections raised in the comments section in future blogs. Stay tuned.
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